Episode 215 — Adopt A SPECTRUM Mindset
Guest: Tony Frezza • Date: August 1, 2024
Episode Overview
This week, we're diving into a crucial aspect of parenting: MINDSET. Our guest, Tony Frezza, author of The Spectrum Mindset, shares insights on how adopting this mindset can elevate your approach to parenting. It's all about aligning your mindset with your goals to avoid obstacles and achieve success.
About Tony Frezza
Tony Frezza lives with his wife, Shannon, and two kids, Dylan(10) and Arielle(8), in Jupiter, Florida. They are surrounded by immediate family and have a much larger gym family at FitTown Jupiter, which he and his brother Andrew started in 2012. For over a decade, Tony has coached and led his gym congregation in person and through routine writing online. His mission is to help people become the best version of themselves and inspire them to live life to their fittest and fullest. He takes a holistic approach to health, helping people with their physical, mental, spiritual, and social fitness. "The Spectrum Mindset" is his first published book and is available on Amazon. He has read hundreds of books in the self-help category but believes there is no better book for personal growth than The Bible.
You’ll Discover
What is a Spectrum Mindset? (7:02)
Some Key Books That Promote Connection (12:23)
Ten Elements Of A Spectrum Mindset (14:27)
Hacks To Accelerate Success (24:52)
How To Be A Model For Positive Change (30:48)
Referenced in This Episode
The Spectrum Mindset: Lead Your Family and Life To Infinite Possibilities By Transforming The Way You Think by Tony Frezza
The Whole Brain Child by Dan Siegel
No Drama Discipline by Tina Payne Bryson and DanSiegel
Uniquely Human by Barry Pizant
Full Transcript
Tony Frezza | 00:00
It's your mindset that controls your emotions. Your effort and your attitude. And if we can control those things every day, And judge every day as a win, right? We win and lose on a baseball game. That's a definite thing, right? The team with the highest score wins. But we had to judge our daily performance actions with wins based on those three things, our attitudes, our emotions, and our efforts. And when we did that, that's when, you know, that's when we grow. And we've been doing that for, you know, Seven years now that we've known he's been on the spectrum is just to bring it back to what we can control. And not looking at the scoreboard.
Cass Arcuri | 00:39
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Len Arcuri | 00:50
- With each episode, we reveal a secret that empowers you to be the parent your child needs now, saving you time, energy, and money, and helping you focus on what truly matters most, your child.
Cass Arcuri | 01:01
- I'm Cass. - And I'm Len. - Welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets.
Len Arcuri | 01:17
Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. It's Len and with me today is Tony Frezza. He's here to make the case for the power of your mindset. And as a parent, there are a lot of things that we do that get in the way of making great decisions. But having a mindset that is not aligned to where you want to go is the one surefire way that we will crash and burn.
So Tony is so passionate about this concept that he wrote a book called that was released a few months ago called the Spectrum Mindset. And Tony's here to explain why. What that is and how it can help you catapult to a new level. The secret this week is... Adopt a Spectrum Mindset. Welcome, Tony.
Tony Frezza | 02:01
Thanks for having me.
Len Arcuri | 02:02
Len. Super.
Well, Tony, you and I have talked before. You and I can probably talk for hours and hours on mindset and not ever get bored. And it's such an obvious thing. Talk about a topic that other parents would say, yeah, I know. I know about that. But to know the concept and to actually adopt and to operate with this growth mindset, the spectrum mindset. It's something that I would argue very few people do. And because it's kind of a learned process, so I think your book is designed to help Teach parents. How to put this into play for them and their family.
So I'll hand it off to you to kind of share a little bit of your backstory. I know you're a father of two and a husband. Tell the listeners all about you and what led you to wanting to write this book.
Tony Frezza | 02:54
Yeah, so I just published this book and it's really... Chronicling my transformation as a father of a son on the spectrum. Who we realized was on the spectrum at three and a half years old when he was removed from his preschool class. And he's now 10 years old. And in those seven years, his 10 years total of life, he has had just the most amazing transformation ever. People that meet him today can't even believe that he's on the spectrum. And We really owe that to a change in mindset. And just a change in the way me and my wife went about parenting. Because, you know, when you have a three-year-old and a one-year-old and you're growing a small business at the same time, life can get very busy. And you can get stuck in routine every day. ", was really a blessing to us in hindsight. And so it really changed us. And I wanted to write about that change because I wanted to put something out there that could help me of 10 years ago. The person, the parents who are just meeting this challenge. I want them to be able to have the right mindset to help not only themselves grow, but help their kids grow through this process. And that's what I owe.
You know, the growth of Dylan across his spectrum is from us changing each other throughout this process. And like the spectrum mindset says is like, There's never like win or loss, you know, success and failure. It's just let's get constant growth together. Continually. And that's what we shoot for every day. And our story is still being written.
You know, I'm writing the second book as we go here.
Len Arcuri | 04:35
No, absolutely. And yes, I'm nodding as you're talking because... There are so many things that I learned, you know, along with my wife, Cass, along the way. And it's easy for somebody to be like, okay, I've learned some things. Now I'm going to teach others, you know. But something like this, it's so important. It's so radical in terms of the impact. Of having a mindset that really works for you and your family that I can totally appreciate why you're like, you know, I have to do something more, which again, writing an entire book dedicated to this topic might seem like overkill, but it really is that important. And the subtleties really matter.
Tony Frezza | 05:15
Yeah, and I think it's that important because I didn't know my mindset needed to change when I was, you know, 10 years ago, I thought my mindset was fine. I didn't know I needed to work on it. I didn't know it was something that could be improved as much as it did.
So that's what I want to make parents and people aware of as well with this book is like your mindset can change. And it's up to you to do it.
You know, I want people to realize that, This can last for generations. When you change your mindset and you teach your kids in a way that changes their mindset... Then that could be the way that changes the way they parent when they become parents. And something like this can not only just affect you in the short term, but it can change your family for generations to come.
Len Arcuri | 05:55
Yeah, no, it is that profound. Absolutely. And it's just not.
Something that a box that you check. In other words, it's easy to understand the concept. And like you, I thought I had a pretty good mindset. I didn't think that was the problem at all. And I have to say, it wasn't necessarily true. A problem as much as it was Just an untapped capability or superpower or tool that if I just check the box and said, yeah, my mindset's good, I'll move on to other things. It's just, again, there's just so much that's left on the table. And so that's where mindset comes. Isn't just something that you kind of check off and say you've achieved it. It's kind of a way of being. It's a way of operating that just has this term called mindset. And now you've enhanced it in terms of identifying something called a spectrum mindset.
So I'd love for you to share how that's different than perhaps a positive mindset or a growth mindset. But it really is an evolving mindset. It's not about attaining it and then moving on.
Tony Frezza | 07:04
Yes, of course. And I want to share my background is in fitness.
So I've owned a gym, basically the same time that I've had, I've been a parent, it just happened at the same time where we're starting a gym, we're having babies. And... When I have someone come into the gym that wants to change their physical condition, fitness or appearance it often starts with mindset. We don't go just lifting weights right away. We go into mindset work first. I think of this quote by Gandhi, if I screw up this quote, don't blame me, blame the internet. But he says, carefully watch your thoughts because they become your words. Watch your words because they become your actions. Your actions become your habits. Your habits become your values and your values become your destiny. And that just shows us that The thoughts. Through a process, become what you become. They become your destiny. And that's why that mindset work is so important at the start. Because it affects everything down the line. And I saw that firsthand with The way I interacted with my son, the way I interacted with the people at my gym, just changing my thoughts changed everything. The, you know, the words and actions and habits and all the way down the list.
Len Arcuri | 08:17
Right. And not to derail your where you're going with this, but just let's go back for a second to your gym. Right. When you think about people who sign up for the gym and then don't show up or leave or cancel.
I mean, how much of lack of success happens? For a client in the gym, how much of it is mindset in your mind?
Tony Frezza | 08:38
It's everything. I think, you know, I'll talk about this with my son because even still, we have challenges that we're facing. And this past season in baseball, he had a very tough season where he was just breaking down, you know, at any tough situation and throwing tantrums and just emotionally breaking down. We talked about that. It's your mindset that controls your emotions. Your effort and your attitude. And if we can control those things every day, And judge every day as a win, right? We win and lose on a baseball game. That's a definite thing, right? The team with the highest score wins. But we had to judge our daily performance actions with wins based on those three things, our attitudes, our emotions, and our efforts. And when we did that, that's when, you know, that's when we grow. And we've been doing that for, you know, Seven years now that we've known he's been on the spectrum is just to bring it back to what we can control. And not looking at the scoreboard. And so when it comes to those people in the gym, We can often get caught up on arbitrary goals or deadlines for those goals and say, I want to lose 10 pounds in two weeks. And when we set these goals or deadlines for ourselves, and we don't make them, we lose hope and we quit. And really the goal of the Spectrum Mindset is to keep going every single day. Right. That's when we get stuck in a fixed or a finite mindset. That we create a gap between us and where we think we should be.
And then that's when we give up and we lose altogether.
Len Arcuri | 10:09
And that term giving up is what I'm focusing on right now, where a parent who's navigating something challenging for themselves or for their child, in this case, a child on the spectrum with perhaps significant behaviors and challenging situations, it's very easy for parents to kind of fall into, you know, a state of saying, why bother, right? Because like everyone around you is telling you there's not much you can do. And even those things that you can do, might be expensive and convenient. And so it's easy for people to slip into you know, What would be a fixed mindset where, you know, why even bother? There's not much you can do.
You know, so same thing for your clients at the gym. They might have this belief, you know, this isn't going to work for me.
You know, I'm not going to stick with it. So there's so much about mindset that just totally prevents us. From being... The person or the parent that we can be, which is again, why Taking a closer look and becoming more self-aware of what your mindset is and where are those, where are the opportunities to not to adopt a new mindset, but to go from where you are into something that's much more powerful and much more propelling you forward instead of kind of keeping you where you are.
Tony Frezza | 11:30
When I first learned that Dylan was on the spectrum, for me, it felt very foreign because I didn't know anyone on the spectrum. I didn't know anyone. What it took really, so I kind of handed it off to the professionals and just said, hey, you're going to take, you know, this. Class, you're going to go with this specialist. And I think a lot of parents do that. But really, I think what I want to relay in the message of my book is like what we do with our kids matter so much more than a couple hours a week with a certain behavioral specialist.
So to not get so discouraged by not knowing the unknown, right? The unknown of what autism actually means for your kid. You can get discouraged and want to distance yourself from that. When really, if you kind of connect where you can, and, you know, I read some really awesome books along the way, books like, the whole brain child. No drama discipline, uniquely human. These were some books that it helped me connect with just with my kid, just, you know, they weren't necessarily autism parenting books. But they were just how do you connect with your kid and how do you make them feel safe? And that's really, you know, it's not our job to instruct as parents. It's our job to understand. And when I flipped that switch of like trying to discipline and instruct and you know, tell a kid what he needs to know. Versus trying to listen and understand what the kid was trying to teach me. That's when everything changed for.
Len Arcuri | 13:01
Us. Yeah, no, it's the mindset and that concept of like, what's the impact of a positive or what's the impact of mindset overall? You mentioned about, you know, a child feeling safe, right?
So if you think what's a child going to positively feed off of, it is someone who's got an energy of what's possible, of positivity, of forward movement, as opposed to a mindset that says there's not much we can do. And again, I think just in terms of what's the child going to feed off of positively, that alone is reason to at least want to adopt a more positive, forward-moving mindset. And again, it's a concept you can understand, but It's not a switch to flip. Because there's a way of doing this, but it starts with understanding.
So let's talk about your book. And I think you've, broken down the spectrum mindset into 10 characteristics. If you can talk a little bit about the elements, because again, people may be nodding, but not fully understanding all the, for lack of a better word, complexity in terms of the elements of a mindset that is actually supportive.
Tony Frezza | 14:20
Yeah, so I broke it down into 10 elements, which could be, you know, on their own described as 10 mindsets in their own right. But I think when they work together, that that's when they're strongest together. And the 10 elements are growth, intention acceptance Love. Patience. Presence. Curiosity abundance, adaptability, and persistence.
Len Arcuri | 14:45
And we've done episodes on each one of those concepts separately because they're so important. But now you're saying these are all components of what you would call spectrum mindset.
So there's 10. Some of them are kind of obvious when you hear it. But take me to where you would want to start with what's the most important of those 10?
Tony Frezza | 15:07
Well, I think like the most important is the start is the first three kind of, run together. And that's growth, intention, and acceptance. Because, again, I really wanted this book to impact people who are just in that challenging time. Who are really looking for some hope I'm looking for some possibility in that process.
So with the first part of the growth mindset, and this comes off of Carol Dweck's book, which you have next to mine back there behind you, called Mindset, which was pivotal in my change. And it taught me that What is now will not be forever. Which was very hard for me to understand when you get that autism diagnosis. Your mind starts running wild with what-if scenarios of Well, what's high school and college going to be like? Will he ever get married? Will he ever get to experience all the joys of life that I want him to have? And a lot of fear can enter that situation.
So it was so important to realize that, you know, things aren't fixed forever. Nothing is fixed in this world. A diagnosis of autism is just one person's opinion at one point in time. It is nothing more than that. And it's up to you what you do with that diagnosis. And a growth mindset tells us that effort is everything. It's up to us to decide. Just give the effort that we can every single day. And that leads into the next two, which is intention and acceptance and intention. Being that you're going to set, you know, intention behind your actions to grow.
You know, yourself and your family. I talk about in the book how with intention It came out rather publicly when I just announced to the gym that my son was on the spectrum because we were doing a fundraiser for just autism awareness at our gym. And so I thought that was a good time to just say, Hey, I'm in this too and my son's on the spectrum without telling my wife. And so that brought up a fun conversation between us, but it really bonded us together because finally through the fear of wondering of what if and the fear of labels, we just decided, hey, this is our son. This is where we're at. And we're in this together. And that actually brought on a lot of help from others, a lot of support from others, which was amazing.
And then that leads into acceptance, which is like, we finally accepted where we were. And that allowed us to move together. Because I think a lot of times We are not honest with ourselves of where we are. And that doesn't help us move at all because we don't know where to go from there. If we don't accept ourselves. We don't accept the journey.
Len Arcuri | 17:49
And I think a lot of it is People maybe just don't want to know where they are because once you know, then there's more of a compelling need to change or desire to change. And I think that's where Life is hard enough and autism especially is hard enough for parents to figure out and to do all the things that they want to do that anything that seems like it's going to take effort to and is inconvenient and it might not be instantaneous, not a quick fix. I think we all keep ourselves safe by kind of avoiding that type of thing.
So not knowing something is a way of kind of keeping yourself in a safer, what you perceive as a safer place. But ultimately that's what prevents actual action. And in this case, you know, we're not talking about one, you know, kind of aspect of how you're operating. The mindset is has to come first. Again, that's just going to fuel everything else that you're doing. And that's where if that's not... In a good place. And again, not that it's a good or a bad, it's more supportive of what you want for your child and for yourself now. - And so if you want more, and you want more possibility, then that's all impossible if your mindset really, and in the core of your being, you're, operating with a fixed mentality with a, with this basic view that says not much is possible. Even though you say you want more for your child, there's an incongruence, a lack of alignment. And that's where, again, it's just about you having a mindset that's supportive of where you want to go is the way I look at it.
Tony Frezza | 19:35
Well, and Len, you can answer this question, but Out of all the regrets in your life, do you regret investing in your child? Your children.
Len Arcuri | 19:43
Absolutely not.
Tony Frezza | 19:45
I think it's an investment that We will never regret. We'll never look back and say man, I spent too much time with my kids. Or I was way too present with my kids. If anything, it's going to be the opposite of that. We're going to wish that we lived in that moment more. We're going to wish that we gave more time, more presence, more patience to our kids. And intentionally help them grow.
Len Arcuri | 20:08
- And I would agree with that, but I would say even before a parent might be able to do that, in a meaningful way, in a significant way, they have to invest in themselves first, which is why investing in yourself is can take a lot of different forms. It could include personal development, one-on-one coaching, or picking up the right book and reading it, understanding it, and doing what you can to put it into action.
I mean, I have a whole bunch of books behind me, right? And I feel like those have all been beneficial, but they're all meaningless unless I actually find a way to implement, to put into action what's in those books. And that starts with a lot of the things you've already talked about. It starts with an intention, right? Or as a parent to your own growth which again will then your child in so many ways and enable you to be present and loving and adopting true acceptance of your child, which I think that's wonderful. When I look at your top 10, I mean, that's one that stands out to me because that's not in a good place. Again, it just makes everything else so much more difficult for you to actually then operate in this lighter, more powerful way. And that's where, you know, the specter mindset, it's kind of selfish in the sense that it's for you, the parent, and you have to look at it as something that's benefiting you, not something you're doing for someone else. But when you give this gift to yourself, everyone around you benefits.
Tony Frezza | 21:47
Yeah, you mentioned acceptance. And in the story I talk about, My son, the story that goes along in that chapter is where he, we went to the park one day, and this was a couple years after we had done some. Classes and behavioral stuff. And so he's two years into kind of training you know, his behavior. And so he gets to the park and he meets a couple of kids and the kids greet each other with hugs. And he just walks up to me and he's like, I'm here too, guys. And, you know, almost got to hug himself, but got some hellos, exchange names. And it was a really cool moment. And all the parents around us were like, that's the sweetest thing we've ever seen. And I was so proud of him in that moment. And it really was a beautiful moment. And I got home and I was telling my wife about this moment and I started saying like my gosh, if he does that with older kids or kids that are mean. He's going to get like pushed or bullied or called names. And it really was like my unacceptance of, kind of my son's condition. And my own limitations, my own fixed mindset thoughts that I was placing upon this beautiful moment. That It made me realize more than a moment. The moment itself was like, wow. I need to get out of the way of my kid's life.
Like I really need to get my finite mindset thoughts out of my son's growth. And out of his way. Because he's here teaching me like he's doing something that I never would have done and probably still wouldn't do. I wouldn't just go up to someone and say, hey, guys, I'm here too.
You know, and but to teach me in that moment, and then to help me realize how limiting my thoughts actually were, that was a big realization for me.
Len Arcuri | 23:34
Yeah. And I think what a lot of what you're touching on, it's mindset. And it touches on the concept of the beliefs that we're holding, which is, to me, a separate concept, but very much related, where it's these stories, you know, that we're all telling ourself. And again, that's all been scripted, you know, goes back to childhood often, but otherwise these stories are playing out. And it's such a powerful thing to become aware of these stories because it's usually Those stories we say to ourselves that create the most friction. And so I know the stories I was telling myself about my son. About autism. And more often than not, about myself is what was really generating a lot of the friction that I was not wanting.
So again, I think there's a lot of concepts related to, you know, what you would call a spectrum mindset. And again, it's something that you can learn and then put into action. From what you've seen, though, you know, you had your own journey where you learned this, I had mine. But if a parent wants to accelerate Yeah, like making their mindset bigger and working more for them and their family.
You know, what hacks would you even suggest that could help somebody? Put it into action.
Tony Frezza | 24:55
Yeah, I'd say, I mean, it starts with reading books, you know, read my book, read Carol Dweck's book, Mindset, read the books I mentioned about parenting, but then on a daily routine. I like to set my day up on my terms, meaning that My day starts with some quiet time. It starts with the Bible app. It starts with some journaling, which is typically like a gratitude journaling because I'm often talking about what was great in the previous day. What am I thankful for? And through that, I feel like it really puts your mindset in the right place to take on that day. Because a lot of times we can rush right into the day and be very reactive to the conflicts that come up. And not be very proud of the actions we take when we're in a reactive state.
So... When we want to be, you know, present and patient with our children, I think it starts and it could be not just your children, but your co-workers, you know, your spouse. It takes you coming from a place where you're, you know, centered, you know, you're in a place where like, all right, I feel like I can respond and react in a way that I would be proud of today.
Len Arcuri | 25:59
Yeah, and I love it. I mean, it's all about filling your tank. First thing, right. To be able to operate in this more powerful way. And, and yeah, I think gratitude, another buzzword you hear all the time and people are like yeah, I'm grateful, but to really be intentional and to maybe gratitude, if you have a journal, to actually do that, but then to actually slow down and feel the gratitude, to take the time to actually feel the gratitude, is phenomenal because you, If anxiety and stress is what might be part of your journey right now as a parent, it's impossible to feel anxious if you're feeling gratitude.
So it's a great hack to combat that stress totally free. You can do it anywhere. And yeah, it does. It sets you up for success for the rest of the day.
Tony Frezza | 26:51
Yeah, part of that journaling process is gratitude. It's when you're trying, you may not be grateful for like something that was not great in the day before, but it's reframing. Those experiences.
So... I think when we go through something that's difficult, But we reframe it in a way where we can find the good in it. It leads us to seeing more good in future days. And magically having more good happen for us. Because, you know, somehow when we look for good, we find good. And so I think reframing our past is a great way to find good in our future.
Len Arcuri | 27:28
Yep. Absolutely. That's super.
Well, again, I would, I'd encourage people to list, to read the book, Put it into action. Be aware as much as you can be about like when you slip, like I love my mindset, the concept. I feel like I have a really, a much better mindset than I ever did, but there is by no means am I perfect. And I've just gotten better at noticing when I slip and fall back into more of a fixed mindset or I dare say a victim mentality, right? None of us parents, especially if you're listening to this podcast, would ever say that we're victims or we have a victim mentality, but it's easy in a given day to maybe slip there periodically.
So to notice that. And just to ask yourself why, like what, Kind of what was happening in that moment can just raise your awareness and help you better course correct next time, because it's not about perfection. It's just about more and more having this just be the way you operate.
Tony Frezza | 28:30
Yeah. And as you kind of pointed out, like visually think of a spectrum.
Like visually think of like, hey, you know, it's kind of like this two steps forward, one step back. And like, we just constantly like move across where we want to be, you know, there's no arbitrary goal or deadline or end goal, like I said. It's just, hey, can we keep moving across the spectrum? And not just give up on the game altogether.
You know, just keep playing the game. That's really the only goal is like, You want to be a part of your kid's life forever.
Right? So take that approach. Take that approach like this is an endless game that you're playing. And you're just trying to move along a spectrum to help them most.
Len Arcuri | 29:10
- Yeah, no, it's a healthy way of looking at it with a little bit more lightness. And I think a key concept of kind of our growth mindset, a spectrum mindset is, you know, the hardest thing I think for me was the idea of really falling in love with making mistakes, like being okay with that, especially if you're a parent and you're trying to make good decisions. I held myself to a high standard with my wife, Cass, and we didn't want to make mistakes. But the reality is most of the stuff you try isn't going to work. Most of what happens in life won't go your way.
So to be able to really just fall in love with that learning, the constant learning, and clearly not doing anything that you'd be worried is going to cause harm in any way, but it's just about really kind of putting your best out there, learning and growing and being not just tolerating mistakes, but just accepting that they're part of the process and they can be a gift. Like you said, your whole journey was a gift in terms of the impact from it, who have you become because of it. And it's the same thing for parents that those quote unquote mistakes They're all learning opportunities if you allow them to be.
Tony Frezza | 30:26
Yep. We don't lose, we, you know, we don't lose, we learn. That's what my kids are used to saying. And they'll confuse people when people ask if they won a loss like these sports games. We'll say, yeah, we learned.
Like, what does that mean? Like, It means they lost, but they really just learned. And yeah, I think that's so important to, you know, seek mistakes, seek failure for parents. We have to do it.
You know, we can't just live a safe life and not let our kids, you know, our kids have to see us fail. To know that failure is okay.
And then we you know, we have so much control over what schools they go to, what sports and activities they sign up for. If we're not encouraging through that process to say, hey, you know, I don't care if you've never danced before. Let's try it.
You know, let's try baseball. Let's try soccer.
You know, if you have that mentality, they're going to catch it. And they're going to take that on into their lives.
Len Arcuri | 31:18
Yeah. It's like so many things, whatever you want to see in your child, if you can model it, that's how they'll learn it much more so than anything that you say to them. And, and again, I, if you just look at it that way, model the behaviors you want to see in your child, that's where this growth mindset, the spectrum mindset, you know, it really has nothing to do with autism, right? This is just a, about a different way of operating in life that, Yes, will benefit your child on the spectrum and you as a parent. But it is a just a very much more powerful way of operating. Not obvious. None of us were really taught it.
So if you want to learn, Tony's book is a fantastic resource. So Tony, tell people where they can find out more about your book and about yourself.
Tony Frezza | 32:02
So they can go to SpectrumMindset.com and that would take them to TonyFrezza.com. Where I blog and have posts, you know, weekly, but the book is on amazon.com. And it's called the Spectrum Mindset. Lead your family and life to infinite possibilities by transforming the way you think.
Len Arcuri | 32:21
All right. Well, fantastic.
Well, again, I think we could have talked for hours on so many of these, you know, mini mindset concepts that are in your book, but I'd encourage people to read it, put it into action. And again, I appreciate you, Tony, for taking the time to write the book because this is something that truly will benefit any parent.
So thanks so much for joining us and sharing your story.
Tony Frezza | 32:41
Thank you, Len. And thank you for all the information you put out there helping parents.
Len Arcuri | 32:45
Absolutely. Thanks, Tony.
Cass Arcuri | 32:48
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