Episode 231 — HYDROGEN Works WONDERS
Guest: Paul Barattiero • Date: November 21, 2024
Episode Overview
Welcome to Episode 231 of Autism Parenting Secrets. This week, we're exploring the transformative power of molecular hydrogen therapy with a true pioneer in the field. Joining us is Dr. Paul Barattiero, founder of Echo Water and a dedicated advocate for the health benefits of hydrogen therapy. His insights on how hydrogen water can revolutionize health are invaluable. Hydrogen water targets root causes often linked to autism, such as oxidative stress, neuroinflammation, gut dysfunction, and mitochondrial challenges.
About Paul Barattiero
Dr. Paul Barattiero is a pioneer in molecular hydrogen therapy, with over 20 years in health and wellness. Founder of Echo Water, he has held executive roles across multiple health-focused companies, all dedicated to advancing hydrogen-based solutions. Inspired by his wife’s health journey, he created the Echo Water Hydrogen System to address oxidative stress and inflammation. Echo Water products now support detoxification, cognitive function, immunity, and gut health. Dr. Barattiero, an engaging educator featured on media like The Jeff Krilley Show, lectures globally. He holds certifications from Quantum University and Trinity School of Natural Health and is pursuing a Ph.D. in Integrative Medicine. Based in Lehi, Utah, he’s committed to raising awareness of hydrogen water’s health benefits
You’ll Discover
Dr. Paul Barattiero's Personal Journey (3:01)
The Historical Context of Hydrogen Research (8:27)
The Role of Hydrogen in Gut Health (10:15)
How Hydrogen Is A SELECTIVE Antioxidant (12:25)
Practical Applications of Hydrogen Water (23:12)
How Hydrogen Addresses Gut and Mitochondrial Dysfunction (28:27)
Why Hydrogen Water Is Not To Be Confused With Alkaline Water (31:53)
The Science Behind Hydrogen Water Production (35:54)
Why You Need To Be Wary Of Knock-Offs (42:25)
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Full Transcript
Paul Barattiero | 00:00
Now there's over 1400 studies showing the benefits of hydrogen gas with over 200 disease models, for example. There's no contraindications. There's no age groups. There's no bad stuff that happens.
So it's really important that people drink water with hydrogen in it every day.
Cass Arcuri | 00:20
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Len Arcuri | 00:31
With each episode, we reveal a secret that empowers you to be the parent your child needs now, saving you time, energy, and money, and helping you focus on what truly matters most, your child.
Cass Arcuri | 00:42
I'm to Autism Parenting Secrets.
Paul Barattiero | 00:42
Cass. And.
Len Arcuri | 00:43
I'm Len. Welcome.
Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. It's Len. This week we're diving into the exciting world of molecular hydrogen therapy. With an expert who's been leading the charge for over 20 years. My guest is Paul Baratero, He's the founder of Echo Water and a passionate advocate for hydrogen therapy. His insights on how hydrogen can transform health are not to be missed. And that's because hydrogen water addresses several root causes commonly associated with autism, including oxidative stress, neuroinflammation, gut dysfunction, and mitochondrial issues. The secret this week is a bold one. Hydrogen works wonders. Welcome, Dr. Paul.
Paul Barattiero | 01:42
Thank you. That was.
Len Arcuri | 01:43
Awesome. Yeah. No, I'm excited too. I'm always excited for these conversations with people like you, but this one in particular has been many years in the making just because I've been going to conferences, particularly biohacking type conferences. Hydrogen water and molecular hydrogen is a concept I've been hearing more and more about. Every year, the science that comes in about how helpful this could be keeps gaining more and more momentum. And so I'm just excited for you to be able to explain to our listeners what this is, how specifically molecular hydrogen and hydrogen gas can help. And again, this is something that can benefit anyone. It can definitely benefit you, the parent, for overall wellness. And with respect to a child on the spectrum, this is an opportunity that's really simple and yet incredibly potentially powerful in terms of how it helps the body just to be what it's designed to be.
So I'll hand it off to you to explain a little bit more about your backstory, what brought you here, And the way that you're helping to empower parents and anyone to really take better control of their health through something as simple as the hydrogen molecule.
Paul Barattiero | 03:00
Okay, so... My story is... Started 20 years ago. I was married 10 years and my wife was sick. With anemia, gynecological issues, thyroid issues, short-term memory issues, every possible thing was going on. When we got married, which was 10 years prior, Do you want one on birth control? I begged her not to, but she went on birth control and she ended up gaining a lot of weight, like 60 pounds in a short time. And every time we would go to meet with a doctor, they... I had no idea what would cause that. Later, we learned that there are a lot. There's a high percentage of women who take birth control. It really messes up their gut. It messes up a lot of hormone balances, and they typically increase weight rapidly. And so it kind of changes their body forever. And unfortunately, that happened to my wife.
So here I was. 31 years old, married for 10 years. And thinking I may lose my wife.
Like she may not be around. Because of all these medical issues. And so I was trying to find out what I could do to help this situation and to have it where my wife was. Was not sick all the time, wasn't anemic, wasn't fainting, wasn't you know, in bed, stuck in bed a week out of every month on her menstrual cycle.
So, It was an interesting story that led me. I had some very close friends who we went to church with. And they were struggling after 9-11. After 9-11... They had an organic food store. People coming to Disney World would buy food from them. And When 9-11 happened, people weren't coming to Disney. People weren't going anywhere for a while. And so their business really suffered. And they came to me and a few other friends and asked for help financially to stabilize their business.
So they wouldn't have to close it. And so my wife and I helped them. And When it was hard for them to pay it back because the business still hadn't stabilized, they I told them, don't worry about the interest. Just give me back the principal, right? I'll forgive all the interest. They were able to pay us back the principal. And as a thank you, they took us on a cruise with them. And it was on that cruise that they brought water with them, gallons of water in a suitcase. And I was like, what in the world? But Let me tell you, my wife, I drank that water. I didn't just sprout wings or fly or anything crazy. But my wife, she felt...
Something very specific. He couldn't stop drinking it. And on this cruise where the first day of the cruise was the first day of her menstrual cycle. And I... Understood that seven of the nine days of this cruise, she would not be participating. She'd be in the room. And it was sad, but we didn't choose the dates. And so... It was a little bit shocking to me. That after a day and a half, once she started drinking the water, she was participating in the cruise. And I was like, what in the world?
So I was asking my friends, Hey, what's up with this water? And Jacqueline's feeling good. And they're like, yeah, you know, it helps so many people. That's what saved our business. We started selling this water company. Buy the gallon and we have 200 people a day buying this water. And I mean, it was just Changing lives. And I was like, my heaven. What is it in the water that changes lives? Right. They didn't know. And all they were saying was it's the pH of the water because it's alkaline water. And of course, I, as a medical professional was like, no way it's not alkaline water. And but I don't know what it is either. And they didn't know what it was. And so effectively I accepted the fact that it was helping her. And I was so grateful that we had a wonderful cruise.
And then we go home. I didn't think about it again.
Well, Six months later, my wife's menstrual cycle was normal. And I was like, what in the world? And she goes, I've been drinking that water. I'm like, you're still drinking that water? You're going back to their place to buy it now? And she's like, yeah, I've been buying gallons of it. I'm like, what? She goes, yeah, you didn't notice it was in the pantry? I said, no, I didn't notice it was in the pantry. And she goes, yeah, I feel great. And so then I'm like, okay, wait a minute. What's going on? And they still didn't know. And I wanted them to figure it out.
So I said, I've got to figure this out. I spent about a year and a half doing what I call a deep dive, trying to figure out what it was. And I learned that. Hydrogen gas, when you put it in water, whether the gas itself is in the water, which it wasn't in their water, but because the hydrogen gas was involved in the process that changed the ORP, the oxidation reduction potential of the water, which was enough to get her gut going. Working better and she was able to start feeling better, But once I was able to get actual hydrogen gas into water she was drinking, It was like a whole nother level. It really helped her. And so that was after almost three years, we figured out, okay, gosh, you know, this really is helping. And I started finding some studies that were supporting that idea.
So then later in 2009, 2010, I was... Able to start to create the ecosystem that had hydrogen gas in it. That was the journey. That's what happened. And so it really was almost by accident or almost happenstance that I was able to learn about that.
Len Arcuri | 09:02
No, it's amazing. And again, yeah, to see something like that firsthand and then your curiosity, okay, well, what was it? Even the people, your friends who were selling it weren't really sure.
So you dove in, you learned what you could. And I know, I know the thing about this approach or the power of hydrogen has been known for a while.
I mean, the research on it, I mean, there's a lot of research now, but even when you started your investigation, it The benefits have been known for quite a while, correct? Or much longer than people think.
Paul Barattiero | 09:35
Yes, so in the 1700. That's a long time ago, right?
Len Arcuri | 09:41
Yeah, you're going way back.
Paul Barattiero | 09:41
Now. Yeah. In 1798, I believe Anthony Carlyle had been at a conference and learned that hydrogen had antioxidant properties. And that's why in 1800, Dr. Anthony Carlyle discovered water electrolysis. He was trying to harvest hydrogen out of water. And did that.
And Then there seems to be nothing going on until Dr. Mishisua in Japan in 1930. Came across his work and wanted to see if it would help rice cultivation. It did help rice cultivation.
And then He was like, okay, what's it going to do for plants? What's it going to do for other things?
And then they went to human trials in 1950. So 20 years later, 1950. They began a human trial, a 15 year human trial in, Japan. And after that human trial, 15-year human trial, they said that it cured improper fermentation. In the gut.
So really. Again, they proved... By 1965, that It really improved gut function or cured improper fermentation.
Well, if you understand the way you digest food, the way we assimilate foods is through fermentation in our gut and our colon. So the fact, that it was... Geared up. Improper fermentation was because it had the right bacteria in the train. The biome was reestablished.
So, That was our first big insight was the fact that it will help gut. Terrain, biome. It will change the bacteria in the gut so that they can process foods properly. And that's the big thing that hydrogen does. But what people don't think about past that point is when you fix the gut or when you modulate gut function That's going to affect immune function. It's going to affect your antioxidant pathways. It's going to affect It's a huge cascade of benefits that you will have in your body. That people don't really think of. And one of those benefits is a master hormone called ghrelin, G-H-R-E-L-I-N. The two main places in the body where you create ghrelin are in the stomach or the intestinal tract. And hydrogen stimulates gastrogrilin. You can do it with atenolol. You can do it with other things, but ghrelin is selectively stimulated. I would use that word, selectively stimulated the best with gastric ghrelin. And so- you're able to drink the hydrogen water and this is one of the benefits of drinking hydrogen water is within three to five minutes of Gorillin secretions are going to the hippocampus, the hypothalamus, and the brainstem. To change the cognitive function, to change the brain function itself. And that seems to benefit autism. It benefits all other neuro diseases. Diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, things like this. Even people that have tremors with their hands almost still.
So it is the gorillas and secretions that are very important to help the water be what we call neuroprotective, And there's many other things that happen in the brain But that's a huge benefit that you can have.
Len Arcuri | 12:58
You know, there's a lot that's going on with such a simple molecule, right? So hydrogen, molecular hydrogen, and one... Role I think that it plays is that it's a selective antioxidant, right? Because everyone understands antioxidants, that can be a beneficial thing, particularly if there is oxidative stress, if there is gut issues. But can you talk a little bit about the term selective antioxidant because that's part of the power right of what molecular hydrogen is all about.
Paul Barattiero | 13:29
It's the beauty of it right That's why we have so many studies today from 2009 forward is because in 2009, Nature Medicine published a study showing hydrogen to be a selective antioxidant. And what that really means is that it Okay, so let's back up and unpack it a little bit. You have what's called radicals. In the body. And most people just think radicals are bad. The truth is most radicals are life-sustaining radicals. They have what we call a physiological role in the body.
So when we take regular antioxidants that are an electron donor, when they donate their electron, they are now becoming a pro-oxidant. And so you have a.. Burden on the body because what was helpful a minute ago now became part of the problem.
Well, hydrogen does not have an extra electron. It's neutral.
So there's no electron donorship. What's happening is hydrogen is a signal modulator.
So it modulates pathways. It modulates things to work kind of like a manager modulator. Getting employees to work. And the reality is, Hydrogen is selective because it only... Reacts with The cytotoxic or what's called cell damaging, that's what cytotoxic means, cell damaging oxygen radicals.
So the things that are destroying cellular function and the things that are really harming our body the worst, like a hydroxyl radical, for example, that is the most cell damaging radical in the human body, hydrogen stops them from being formed. And so this was really important from an oxidative stress perspective.
And then inflammation. If we really look at disease models, whatever disease someone's talking about, The cause of it the leading cause of disease is the combination of oxidative stress, and chronic inflammation in the body. When we combine those two things, we end up contracting a disease model typically. And so, Hydrogen. The whole role of hydrogen is to manage oxidation and inflammation in the body. And so we can reduce oxidation so we don't ever get to oxidative stress and then inflammation. And that's a huge benefit.
So that's what selective antioxidant means is that it's only selecting the bad stuff And it's not bothering the good.
Len Arcuri | 16:03
Right. So an allergy might be like an antibiotic. If you take one, it will just wipe out everything.
So it's kind of like an antibiotic that only wipes out what needs to be wiped out instead of just taking a machine gun and getting rid of everything. So it's a selective antioxidant in that way.
And then another aspect of why it's so powerful is that You know, hydrogen is an element, but it's the smallest element, right? So there's something about its size that it can kind of get to where, to places that other molecules can't. Isn't that correct?
Paul Barattiero | 16:33
Absolutely. It is number one on the periodic table. It's tiny. It can go anywhere in the body. And That's good. Because you want it to be able to go everywhere. But the primary action of hydrogen is, like I said, a signal modulator.
So the fact that it's just present in the body, it does what it's supposed to do. And so that's, Awesome. And what it does is many things.
I mean, literally, there are over 200 biomolecules that are regulated by hydrogen. Everything from stomach acid. When you look at stomach acid, right? HCL. What's the H? Hydrogen. Just beginning at one of the most basic things in the body, which is digestion. You can't even produce stomach acid without hydrogen.
So, Hydrogen is necessary. It's critical for the body to function the way it's supposed to function. And there's not much that will be happening. If we go down to a basic level of the body, we're carbon-hydrogen chains.
So hydrogen is really critical for everything. And You're supposed to produce hydrogen in your gut, right? We're supposed to have flatulence. We can call it fart therapy in this case because now hydrogen is such a good thing, right? But the point is you should be producing or could be producing 10 to 12 liters of hydrogen gas per day. In the intestinal tract or the colon. And part of that would come out as flatulence. The other part would be used by the body as the supply of hydrogen.
So Hydrogen is so critical. We are designed to make it in our body, in our gut, our intestinal tract, that's how important it is. Is that we're supposed to make it. What stops that process? Gut dysfunction.
So gut dysfunction stops that process a small amount or a large amount, depending on the individual. And so that's why I ended up creating the system to help my wife.
And then when I helped my wife, I said, wow, there's got to be a lot of other guys that don't know what to do and they got to be in the same position as I am. I was able to help And here we are, you know, 20 years later. And of course, we are helping millions of people every day. And it's awesome. It's so simple, right? All you do is grab a glass or a bottle of water and you drink it.
So it's very simple to get hydrogen in the body.
Len Arcuri | 18:57
It couldn't be simpler. And I just want to bring you back to the last point you made, which is The body... Naturally makes hydrogen if everything's working as it's supposed to. And so for If you're saying that the kind of the root cause of why the body doesn't these days, you said gut dysfunction. And if someone's like wondering, okay, well, why is there gut dysfunction? That brings us to our toxic planet, right? There's a lot of environmental stressors, whether it's glyphosate, chemicals, pesticides, electromagnetic fields.
I mean, there's a lot that's out there that's very different now than it used to be. That's making it much harder for our guts to be balanced, right?
So if you're saying gut dysfunction is the reason why our bodies don't produce the hydrogen that's needed, And if you accept that reality, then the question is, okay, how can you reintroduce molecular hydrogen into the body. And there's probably a couple of ways you can do it, but there's nothing simpler than just drinking the right water that has that extra hydrogen. And I know you've talked about it before where I think a big question many people have, people who are skeptical, because it's easy to be skeptical here. Okay, H2O is two hydrogens and oxygen. It's in all water.
So can you talk a little bit about how just drinking regular water, even if it's filtered water, isn't really introducing molecular hydrogen into the body.
Paul Barattiero | 20:25
Great question. And that is probably the top question we get. People are confused. And yes, hydrogen and oxygen gas... Are the constituent elements. That's what makes up water, right? H2O But what we need to remember, basic chemistry, organic chemistry, when hydrogen and oxygen gas are combined, they form a liquid. You no longer have them as a gas. It's now a different substance called water, and it's a liquid.
So what we're doing, is we are... Dissolving H2 gas into H2O liquid or water. And that's what we're doing. There's no... Gas, hydrogen gas in water, and there's no oxygen gas in water. Remember, we can't breathe in water. We're not fish. We can't break up water molecules. And get oxygen out of the water, just like we can't get hydrogen gas out of water. We have to break it up.
So in these bottles, for example, you can see right there The gas, you can kind of see, it's hard to see, but here. I'll have to put something like this behind it.
Yeah, there you go. So now you can see that gas going up. That gas is hydrogen. And out the bottom, you can see this little silver port right there. That is where the oxygen is coming out. Any chlorine, any oxygen is coming out of the bottle. In our device. And so we're just putting H2 gas into the water. And when you drink that water, there's H2 gas in it, like Perrier has carbon dioxide in the water. We have H2 gas in the water. Based on it having H2 gas, we can then get the benefit of the gas, the H2 gas. That's where... All of the benefits are from Drinking water, of course, is good for you, but you're not going to help disease models necessarily.
Like hydrogen does. And so that's what's important to understand is that you have hydrogen gas and now there's 14, over 1400 studies showing the benefits of hydrogen gas with over 200 disease models, for example. And so there's no contraindications. There's no age groups. There's no bad stuff that happens.
So it's really important that people drink water with hydrogen in it every day. You don't need to have a ton of it. You just need to have, you know, 16 ounces to 30 ounces per day at minimum. I like to tell people if they have these bottles, you know, drink three to six of them per day. If you get one of our systems in the home, then drink as much as you want. You can't get too much hydrogen.
So There you go.
Len Arcuri | 23:37
Yeah. And I think... The idea of being able to have it and create it yourself is powerful because even if you had a source of really clean natural water, right, that wasn't loaded with toxins and chemicals, The odds of you finding a natural source that has high amounts of molecular hydrogen, I mean, there are places in the world, right, where that may occur naturally, but it's so few, which is why you can't get it from your local spring, for example.
Paul Barattiero | 24:11
Yeah. I mean, you might be able to, depending on where you live, there are Springs. They're, But typically... People know Mount Fuji in Japan, the Lord's Water in France. Has had, they've proven the hydrogen is there. There's another cave in Germany that has hydrogen. There are rivers in India. There are rivers here in the U.S. There are springs in the U.S., but you know, that's like a trip.
Like you're trying to go get it. And so, Basically, I'm bringing the mountain to you. Or bring in you know, the stream to you.
So you have the therapeutic hydrogen gas in your water anytime you want in the comforts of your home, in your car, in your home, in your office, wherever it is. So that you can do that. Now, the other big thing that happens is It will.. Fix your gut issues.
So when you're drinking the water, And nothing's a guarantee in life other than I heard dying and paying taxes. But the reality is, When you're drinking the water for two weeks, People that are gluten and dairy intolerant or have other food allergies typically say they no longer experience them And their immune system increases because their gut is reestablished when it comes to the proper bacteria. We should have mostly... Anaerobic microflora, not aerobic bacteria. We should have anaerobic And so it's really important that our gut terrain and biome be a proper environment for anaerobic use. Bacteria or anaerobic microflora, that's the most important. We should be 96 to 99% of the gut bacteria should be anaerobic and only one to four push percent should be aerobic.
Well, sometimes that gets... Swapped and we have too much aerobic bacteria, And we'll end up with. Sugar and carb cravings, anxiety, depression, just from having too much aerobic bacteria.
So when we can change that terrain and biome and get the right bacteria in your gut You can end up processing fiber and fatty acids and then, of course, gluten and dairy as well. And so. If you want to be able to eat any kind of food you want to eat, hydrogen water can help with that as well. And so many people. And there are many studies. If you go to hydrogenstudies.com, which is one of my sites, hydrogen studies And you can type in gut. You can type in whatever you want to type in cancer, diabetes, Parkinson's, autism. And you can see what studies come up. You'll find. Studies to support that hydrogen can help with these things. But please understand the mechanism of action is the reduction of oxidative stress, the reduction of inflammation in the body.
And then there are hormones and different things that are released in the body, like ghrelin, when it comes to neuroprotective effects. That are stimulated and released in the body that do the heavy lifting. Hydrogen isn't always doing the heavy lifting, but it's doing the signal modulating or it's telling things to work correctly. And so that's what you can expect to feel. There's huge benefits with mitochondrial function.
So if you're tired in the afternoon, you're feeling fatigued, or you're feeling you want more energy. Instead of doing an energy drink or coffee or something like this, you can turn to hydrogen water and actually have a boost of energy naturally.
So that's important. If you're an athlete, And you don't want to fatigue. There are many studies on elite athletes showing a relationship with lactate and Basically, when people are drinking the hydrogen water, they don't want to have exercise-induced muscle decline.
So their muscles last much longer than what they would naturally before they fatigue. Again, all of these benefits would naturally be occurring if our gut was working properly and therefore we were producing hydrogen naturally in our intestinal tract.
Len Arcuri | 28:27
Right. Yeah. And you touched on two real key issues I think parents struggle with, especially for their child, is a very common theme, particularly if a parent's working with a functional medicine type practitioner. The two things I hear all the time and that were totally relevant for my son is gut dysfunction, whether it's gut dysbiosis or leaky gut or whatever the case may be, basically that the gut is out of balance. That is the root of a lot of the issues, whether it's digestive issues or neurological issues, where the idea of the connection between the gut and the brain is very real.
So you hear all the time about gut dysfunction being an issue. And then on top of that, mitochondrial dysfunction, where a lot of these kids just don't have the energy, right? They're just something that's off.
So if something as simple as drinking water, right, that tastes like water, it is water, just with the... Benefit of the hydrogen, something as simple as that for that to help your body regulate. And again, because it's a selective antioxidant, it may be that addressing uniquely what's kind of in the way, you know, for that child. That's where this is so appealing. And again, too good to be true, seemingly so, right?
Like where there's so many ways that it can benefit And that's why I love that you have your site, because it's not like you have a site that has two studies, you know, with small trials. I mean, you have lots of studies globally that have shown time and time again, this isn't something just for autism. This is something that improves overall health and addresses so many conditions. And that's where...
You know, it's easy to be skeptical here about can it really do what it seems like it can. And because of that, because of the promise of this, because it's been gaining steam year after year where it's becoming more widely known. I still don't know why I don't see hydrogen water in my local Whole Foods yet. I'm sure it's a matter of time before somebody starts selling something. But when you think about... The idea that it can help with so many conditions and so simply, that's where I think It's easy for people to be skeptical. I know 10 years ago, probably even longer now, at an autism conference, you know, I brought a $2,000 unit, which was all about at the time, you know, alkaline water was being basically promoted as something that was really beneficial.
So I made the investment and it made sense to me, you know, after it was explained to me, okay, well, The body, if the gut's acidic, then drinking alkaline water should be able to help because it's easy for parents to get their head around, hey, the right water could be very beneficial. And, you know, I think my thinking's changed as a lot of people's thinking has changed, right? Where what seems so promising with alkaline water has largely been disproven that, you know, you could drink alkaline water, but by the time it gets into the gut, it really isn't doing anything.
So in that context, feel free to comment on that. And then how is... Hydrogen water Very different than the promise of alkaline water.
Paul Barattiero | 31:38
Great question. And you're right. There are so many companies that are falsely promoting alkaline water because they're Your stomach... Is highly acidic Bio is a one and a half pH. The environment of the stomach is a three to five pH.
So it makes no sense. Scientifically or medically to drink alkaline water. It doesn't make any sense because as soon as it hits the stomach is going to buffer that pH. And if you don't believe me, Take a little bit of the 9.5 water. And put a few drops of lemon juice. 10th.
You know, put the pH reagent in it, put a few drops of the lemon juice, and you'll just watch that Blum it. You'll watch the pH drop rapidly.
Well, Lemon juice is a 1.5 to 2 pH, just like stomach acid. And stomach acid is far more buffering than lemon juice. And so understand that when the water hits the stomach, it's quickly buffered, number 1. Number 2, I want to play devil's advocate a little bit. Let's pretend. That by putting something alkaline in your body, major quote-unquote body alkaline like people say.
And then of course I say, what part of the body are you talking about? And they'll say the blood. And I say, well, you can't have blood pH outside of 7.35 to 7.45 where the body goes into shock. And They'll say, what? And I'll say, yeah, you can't. The body will do anything. To keep the blood in that pH range so you're not affecting it. In fact, The way you affect blood pH is by breath. And it's carbonic acid.
So you could breathe one more time a minute and have more of an effect on the pH of your blood than you would ever drinking. But let's pretend. Again, devil's advocate. Let's pretend. That drinking higher pH would help your blood. Drinking one soda would kill you. If it was true that high pH helped you, then low pH would kill you because... That means as soon as you drank a soda or lemon juice or anything else, it would plummet your blood pH and you would be out.
You know, you'd be gone. And so it's not even plausible. That what you put in your stomach is going to affect you that rapidly or at all, to be honest with you. And so that's what we need to understand is that the pH never had anything to do with the benefit of alkaline water. But hydrogen did. Remember our conversation from the very beginning. Anthony Carlyle discovered water electrolysis. In 1800 to harvest hydrogen gas out of water.
So when we talk about these alkaline water machines, they all have electrolysis And off the cathode, you're going to have hydrogen and off the anode you're going to have oxygen. And so... If. The machine you bought is brand spanking new. Your alkaline water machine, then you'll produce water a lot of hydrogen. And because those electrodes are... Squeaky clean because it's brand new, you'll be able to dissolve hydrogen gas and have hydrogen water. It will be a higher pH, but that doesn't matter because the pH is really unimportant to the body, but the hydrogen is what's important. Now, the problem occurs Because these machines aren't removing minerals and many contaminants. And so as the water goes through these electrolysis, the contaminants can be more bioavailable. And the calcium or the minerals in the water They... Have a, an affinity or want to are attracted to the plates, the electrodes, And the negatively charged electrode When you have positively charged people, minerals, they are going to bond. It's like a magnet, positive and negative. They... Attract to one another.
So when... Those minerals bond onto the electrode, you can no longer dissolve hydrogen gas. And that becomes the problem. That becomes the problem. And so... Unfortunately, when people buy the machines when they're brand new, Then they get hydrogen and get the benefits. But when the machines are no longer new, they don't produce hydrogen unless you're cleaning it with citric acid and what have you. And so this is the problem with alkaline water. In the hydrogen devices that I developed, It's the only machine in the world using proton exchange membrane. And in there... The water you're drinking never touches electrodes, never is in contact with the electrodes or what they call the plates or what have you. What we're doing is we're harvesting hydrogen gas. And we're pushing it out of the chamber And mixing it with another stream of water that is pure water, And so... You always have hydrogen gas. You're never touching the electrode. The cathode is never in contact with water.
So you can't precipitate minerals in the echo devices. So in the hydrogen, so we have All of our machines that are hydrogen water only have a proprietary module. And that's what I just talked about. Is the fact that the water never touches the electrode when it comes to the cathode and that you always are producing hydrogen gas.
And then outside of the chamber itself, the electron, the proton exchange, You're mixing hydrogen gas into water and then it goes through a dissolving chamber that's patented. To make sure that you hit what's called saturation level. We want to saturate the water with hydrogen gas. And so That is the same here. You'll never, you know, Now with these, you can get the minerals buildup. If you put water in these that have minerals, You can have some over time. I would prefer you put pure water in here, you know. Purified water would be better. We don't. We don't need minerals to have conductivity.
So The electrolysis devices need the minerals. The very thing that causes them not to dissolve hydrogen, they have to have that so that there's conductivity and you can perform electrolysis. In our devices, we have a proton exchange membrane. We don't need conductivity. You can put distilled water. You can put any water you want. And we'll still create hydrogen gas. And you still will have beautiful hydrogen gas in your water.
So. I really built a system That's perfected. When it comes to delivering the benefits to you and none of the negative, because when There's 15% of the population that when they drink alkaline water, they're gonna have a Hertzheimer effect. Now of course, the people who sold them the machine would tell them it's a detox symptom, but it's not true. It's just a high Hertzheimer effect. Where their body is thrown out of balance because the body shouldn't have high pH things coming into it. And people will say all the time, Well, I'm going to eat alkaline food. Right. And I'll say, what are you referring to? There's no such thing. And they're like, what are you talking about? Cucumber. And I said, cucumbers are a five and a half pH. Age. And I was like, really? And I'll say, yeah, there's nothing that grows on the earth, you know, vegetables and things. That have a higher than seven pH.
Like it doesn't exist. And the, and people are always freaked out because of all the, false narrative when it comes to alkaline everything. People have gone, I'm eating an alkaline diet. There's no such thing as an alkaline diet.
Like, It doesn't exist. So... We have to understand it never has been and it never will be about the P.H., That's the wrong conversation. It's always been hydrogen. The reason... Alkaline water ever worked is because these machines were producing hydrogen. And Unfortunately, The machines on the market, if you don't clean them every couple of weeks, you're not going to have hydrogen. And they bury this information in their warranties to protect themselves, but they never tell people when they're buying these machines for thousands of dollars that that's what they need to do.
So that's why I created... A device back in 2009, 2010, the Echo brand that you don't need to ever clean it to have hydrogen. I'm not saying it's not good to clean. It's good to clean. And we have cleaning cartridges, but you don't have to clean to have hydrogen. And there's no way for the calcium or minerals to build up on electrodes or to do any of those things. Even in our... One machine we have that makes alkaline and acid water In the chamber that makes the alkaline acid water, we're swapping polarity of the electrodes every time you use the machine.
So there's no way that the calcium can bond on the cathode because it's All the electrodes that were cathode now, the next time you use the machine will all be anodes. And the next time you use it will be cathode and then anode and cathode.
So we're able to do that, but I hope people understand that hydrogen is critical to your body and Hydrogen is a building block. Hydrogen is part of who you are. Your body is supposed to produce hydrogen. And when you can't, I've developed a system called Echo that does. Now, unfortunately, because of the success that we've had with Joe Rogan talking about our water and Dana White using our water and Tom Brady using our water and You know, Jake Paul using our water and the UFC using our water and the Raiders using our water and the Dodgers using our, you know, on. And the Dodgers just won. They're going to the World Series. Isn't that exciting?
So long story short, All of these... Amazing individuals are using Echo water? Because they feel something When Joe Rogan talked about our water, all kinds of scam companies from China said, are now dumping bottles that are not hydrogen. In fact, they're creating chlorinated water and people are not happy because they were scammed and then you can't find the companies to try and get a refund. And so it's really bad. These bottles... Our appropriate hydrogen bottles, the EcoGo Plus. The other bottles on the market that are real cheap and inexpensive on Alibaba or on Amazon. You're not getting a hydrogen bottle. You are not getting a hydrogen bottle. In fact, I had someone at the International Hyperbaric Association that had purchased a bottle for $300. More than this bottle And I said to him, that's not a hydrogen bottle. That's from a multi-level marketing company. And He goes, are you kidding me? I said, no. I said, you want me to test it for you? I hate doing this, but I love it at the same time. I put the H2 blue drops into the water and they stayed blue. There was no hydrogen in the water that he had. And so here's what's interesting. That bottle he bought was an electrolysis bottle. Not a proton exchange bottle like what ours is, And so. He, it requires minerals, right? But when you put minerals in it creates chlorine. And hypochlorous acid.
So now you're drinking in chlorinated water. And it's a catch 22 because I tested it for chlorine and it was bright yellow. And he goes, what? I said, you have chlorine in this water. It's making chlorine in here. I said, now go get purified water from a water bottle and put it in your bottle. And guess what? There was no chlorine, but there was no hydrogen. And so. In the electrolysis devices, it's a catch-22 because you're either going to create chlorine and hydrogen. Or you're going to not create chlorine and hydrogen. That's the problem with the other bottles. In our bottle, you want to use purified water. And you're never going to produce chlorine, but you're going to produce four and a half to five parts per million of hydrogen gas. That's where I don't want people to be scammed. I don't want people to waste 50, 60 bucks on bottles that aren't going to work. Or in his case, it was $300. I was shocked.
So guess what he had to do? Like everyone else, he had to buy one of our bottles. And he's like, I got to buy your bottle. Now he spent 500 bucks. The $300 you spent on the bottle that didn't work and the $200 on our bottle, you know, because it was discounted at the time, $225 or whatever. The reality is I don't want people to think hydrogen doesn't work because it does. I don't want people to waste the hard-earned money because let me tell you, money's not worth what it was used to be. And so it's harder and harder to make money today and I don't want people to be taken advantage of.
So don't fall for Cheap bottles, I promise you they're not hydrogen.
Len Arcuri | 45:35
Well, I'm glad you touched on this because even I feel like I'm pretty reasonably educated on this and understand that quality does matter. And I think I shared with you before we started recording, my Echo Go Plus was taken from me when my car was stolen at the beginning of the year. And, you know, I was a little bit lazy. I'm like, I don't want to pay for another one. And so I did what exactly you're talking about. I went on Amazon, like, who's got something? And there was a company that sold it. It's actually sitting next to me. I still have the bottle. $40. And guess what? Paul, it's cooler than yours because it's got a blue light and there's lots of bubbles and it's glass. It's like, wow, this is phenomenal for $40, right? But I'm sitting there staring at it. I'm like, but I wonder if it's doing anything. I wonder if there's anything in there, right?
So I think what I love about the Echo Go Plus is that One, it's actually effective in terms of introducing molecular hydrogen. You can test it and you design something that produces the hydrogen, which is what you want.
And then it's about the electric potential, right? What you're doing, and it's beyond my pay grade in terms of how you're changing the water in a way that it's more efficient. Bioavailable, right? It's going to be something your body can actually do something with.
So it's those two things together that make it well worth the investment to get a quality product. And again, you've now introduced the idea that some of these that might look like, you know, good looking hydrogen bottles might actually be introducing things like chlorine and other stuff that you absolutely don't want to be drinking, let alone having your child drink.
Paul Barattiero | 47:18
They... They 100% are. And... Any bottle. That is inexpensive.
Like, 150 and under. You're not getting a proton exchange membrane. It costs... Too much. To make them. Just the very cost. Of making our bottle and please know that we sell 20,000 anywhere from 15 to 20,000 of these per month. We're the largest company in the world when it comes to hydrogen water products and we buy the most and therefore the cost will be the lowest. That's the way it works. Okay guys, it's the way it works. If there's anyone that can sell a bottle for less, it would be us. And I promise you the bottle costs more to make than the $40 bottle you bought. And it's because of the proton exchange membrane, the actual membrane inside the bottle is the most expensive part. And it's more, it costs us more to manufacture, let alone the shipping to get it here, the duties to get it into the country. All of that. Is more than that. Anything. That's even less than $100, you know 100%. It's not a proton exchange membrane. It's just not. And you have to understand that If you're able to produce hydrogen- In the electrolysis bottles, you're producing chlorine and oxygen gas.
So you're getting what's called Brown's gas, which is not great. But you're getting a small amount of hydrogen. You're getting chlorine and all the things you shouldn't be getting into your body.
So care about yourself more than that. We have financing. We have the ability for everyone to afford a bottle. I promise you. But get hydrogen. Hydrogen will affect you.
So many of these people are like, it tastes like swamp water. They go on our Facebook pages and they're like, I got scammed.
And then they go to their credit card company and try to get money back. And most of them do because they're Even a lot of companies that are these scam companies are taking my videos, Gary Brekka's videos and editing them. To make it look like we're promoting another bottle. Can you imagine me promoting another bottle? That's like Elon Musk promoting another electric car. It's not going to happen. He made his own. It's great. He's going to promote that. I created Echo. I created the hydrogen water industry. I'm not going to promote a scam bottle. And neither is Gary Brekka because Gary Brekka has only ever endorsed Echo because it works and it changes lives. And so. Don't. Fall into these scam companies that are being sued by us and Gary Brekka for doing what they're doing, which is scam or inappropriate marketing. Buy an appropriate bottle and feel the difference. This has a five-year warranty. You're going to have it for years to come. And you're not going to have these other bottles. These other bottles have three month, six month warranties a year is the most I've seen. Trust me. You don't want to get those bottles.
So I don't want to – I want to get off that soapbox, but I just feel bad because there are thousands upon thousands of people that have been scammed. And they're continuing to scam. There's people going on our Facebook page go, why did Gary stop promoting such and such brand? And our answer is he never did.
Like, and these are people that are falling for, and it's not even clever marketing. Like in Gary's hand is our bottle.
And then they quickly go to some other bottle that looks completely different. And they wanted to make it seem like Gary's promoting it, but no, Be a savvy consumer. Watch the video. He's got our bottle in his hand. He's not selling the crap. Gary Brekka is better than that.
So just, and I surely would never promote another bottle. So understand for you wonderful moms who are listening, You have enough issues in your life. We don't want you having to call your credit card company and fight with them over a scam marketing company. Just invest in your health and the health of your individual in your life that is needing this water. And I promise you there will be a benefit to you and to them. And it's one of those times in life where you really do want to buy the original product. You want to buy the real deal. You don't want to get something else because it's going to end up being a waste of money.
Len Arcuri | 52:01
Bottom line, the company matters. You guys have been around for a long time. And by the way, the bottle I bought, the cool looking one for 40 bucks. It's funny because I was actually... And while I had it, I'm like, this might be a good gift for my son's teacher. And it was like literally two months after I bought it and I went on Amazon to try to buy another one and it totally disappeared.
Like the company's gone, the product's gone. So yeah, you can't blame, I guess, people for trying to get in on something that's extremely powerful. And unfortunately, it may kind of discredit the opportunity here or give a bad name. But the promise of hydrogen water, again, go to that link. I'll include it in the show notes. And look for yourself in terms of the studies that are out there. And again, the simple way to start is with the Echo Go Plus app. Simple Very affordable. You can have that thing going all day and get your three, five ounce glasses of water a day or more. And my son coming off, he got a virus, you know, and it's been sidelined for about a week. But, you know, I'm very confidently giving him the hydrogen water to drink. And I know that that's helping him. He feels like it's helping him.
So, again, this is something do your research, look into it. I'll include a link in the show notes to the Echo Go Plus website. Definitely worth evaluating is a very simple way of introducing something that, again, has a lot of promise. And going back to how I started this episode, right, there's a lot of root causes that are associated with autism. And there's lots of things you can do about it. And this is one to look at. That's just super simple. And again, the science is saying how incredibly powerful this hydrogen molecule is. It doesn't get enough credit, I don't think.
Paul Barattiero | 53:46
Yeah, and it'll help with sleep. And the brain benefits will be three to five minutes.
So it's something you'll notice right away. Now, if for some reason you really truly can't afford this bottle, we have another bottle called the Echo Go. This is the Echo Go Plus, and we only have it in black now. We no longer have the blue, so I apologize beforehand. But just... Just know that we have an Echo Go, which is all white, and that's $149. But with the discount that Len is giving you, you'll be able to save money on that. For those that really need a lower cost bottle, get the Echo Go. And that is going to produce hydrogen.
So just know that You have two options from us. And One of them is $149 and then you would have a discount from Len or the $249 for the Echo Go Plus. The difference between the two, because I know that's what people are going to ask in their mind, Both are excellent. The maximum amount of hydrogen the Echo Go will make is 1.8 parts per million. And the maximum that the Echo Go Plus will make is 4.5. Now, What is therapeutic? Half a part per million is accepted as therapeutic, but people really want to get to around one part per million to really feel an energy boost. Both of these bottles will produce over one part per million. And so just know that either one you buy from us is going to have a therapeutic dose of hydrogen. And again, drink three to six of these. This is a 10 ounce bottle. The Echo Go is like a nine and a half ounce bottle, hair bit smaller. Drink three to six of those per day and... Enjoy the experience you're going to have feeling better. You have, we do have an excellent return policy of 60 days to return it. We never get them back. People fall in love with them. But again, All you have to do is charge it right here, the USB-C charger, and put Filtered water. Don't put tap water in here, please. Don't put tap water. There's no filter. Put purified water or filtered at least from your fridge or from some sort of a filter container. You can put it in there, but Do this for yourself. You will notice a difference.
Len Arcuri | 56:06
Fantastic. Yeah, no, absolutely. You want to put clean filtered water.
Well, however, you might get that. You could buy this old water or, you know, you go back a few episodes, episode 222, which is called Don't Drink Tap Water. That talked about this topic at length. And that one introduced Aquatru as one, you know, The option that's out there, very simple and affordable for you to get actually true filtered water. But again, that device is dynamite, but it does not introduce hydrogen, which is why this episode is really about that one extra step. That can absolutely make a huge difference.
So yeah, everything will be in the show notes. And, you know, I appreciate this more expansive conversation, Dr. Paul.
So thanks for lending your voice to this community and for our listeners. I know people are going to definitely benefit.
Paul Barattiero | 57:02
Yeah, awesome. And we are the only company to have every single way to get hydrogen. We have inhalation where you can breathe it in. We have a bath unit where you can take a bath and get hydrogen into your body for collagen, for wrinkles, for this. The tone of your skin will change. We have every way to get hydrogen into your system. Not just through water.
So thank you, Lynn. It was an honor to be with you.
Len Arcuri | 57:29
Yeah, absolutely. Dr. Paul, we'll look forward to having you on again down the road. Take care. Your child wants you to transform now. And the fastest way to do that is with personalized support. To learn more, go to allinparentcoaching.com/intensive.
