Episode 299 — PANS/PANDAS Responds To The RIGHT Remedy
Guest: Erin Paige • Date: March 19, 2026
Episode Overview
Homeopath and educator Erin Paige joins the show to explain why PANS and PANDAS often present as behavioral or developmental disorders and how infection-driven neuroinflammation may be involved. She outlines how homeopathy works to help the body respond to what is stuck and why the right remedy can shift symptoms quickly.
About Erin Paige
When her own son first became ill in 2012, Erin Paige began a search for answers that never stopped. She completed Angelica Lemke, N.D.'s School of Intuitive Homeopathy and was part of the Homeopathy Hive team before founding Heartwing Healing. She later attended Hilery Dorrian’s Master Practitioner Programme with the Centre for Homeopathic Education and has completed over 500 hours of continuing education in homeopathy, herbal medicine, and functional nutrition. Erin has served as Executive Director for AutismOne and as an advocate with Americans for Homeopathy Choice, Texans for Vaccine Choice, and PANDAS Awareness TX. She is a mentor for the RMDY Academy and hosts The Remedy Revolution podcast. Through Heartwing Healing, she specializes in neuroimmune disorders including PANS/PANDAS, Autism, ADHD, Anxiety disorders, Lyme disease, Vaccine Injury, and other chronic conditions.
You’ll Discover
Why PANS/PANDAS Can Look Like Autism And Why Infections Matter (2:10)
How Homeopathy Focuses On The Symptom Picture Instead Of The Diagnosis (4:24)
The Difference Between Classical And Multi-Pronged Homeopathy (7:11)
How Nosodes Help The Body Recognize Infections Like Mycoplasma (10:17)
Why Suppressing Symptoms Can Drive Illness Deeper Into The Body (22:17)
Referenced In This Episode
Full Transcript
Erin Paige 0:00
These very challenging behaviors that parents don't know how to handle and feel that their child or their family is unsafe around their child in those particular scenarios, homeopathic remedies can be dosed at that time, and I have seen turnarounds happen within minutes before you could even pick up the phone and call for help, you can experience some symptom relief with homeopathic remedy, the right homeopathic remedy dosed at the right times.
Len Arcuri 0:35
If you're a parent of a child with autism, you are being called to rise with love, courage and clarity. This journey isn't easy, and most parents aren't equipped, but you can be. This podcast is your invitation to rise higher, because how you navigate matters. I'm Len and this is autism parenting secrets, where you become the parent your child needs now.
Len Arcuri 1:00
Hello and welcome to autism parenting secrets. This week, we're talking about pans and pandas, and these are conditions that can appear suddenly, create intense symptoms and leave parents feeling overwhelmed and unsure of what's really going on. And to help bring some clarity, I'm joined this week by Erin page. She's a homeopath educator and host of the remedy Revolution podcast. Her journey began in 2012 when her own son became ill, leading her into deep study and training through Angelica lemke's School of intuitive homeopathy and her work with the homeopathy hive team, Aaron has served as an advocate with autism. One Americans for homeopathy choice, Texans for vaccine choice and pandas awareness. Texas, through her practice heart wing healing, she now supports families in navigating pans and pandas and other neuro immune challenges. If your child is struggling and you're searching for answers that can actually help. You're exactly where you need to be. The secret this week is pans and pandas responds to the right remedy. Welcome, Aaron, yeah, thanks so much for having me. Len, I'm excited to dive in. So am I a topic that you know is very relevant for so many people, and I know I haven't given enough attention, and you know, I think whatever is happening with a child that a parent might be experiencing, whether it's autism. ADHD, you know, they're all very vexing, but pans and pandas can be particularly challenging. And I know you know that firsthand. So you know, I can think, just as an overview, can you give the high level about pans and pandas and specifically what that looks like from a parent perspective. And then also homeopathy. We've covered it many times on the show, including having Angelica and other people really hone in on that modality. But I still think it's something that's widely not understood very well, so I'd appreciate if you could do a deep dive on that as well. Yeah, absolutely. So first off with with pans and pandas. So I'm, you know, often a pans child will look very similar to a kid with autism, and so sometimes, you know, I've even had many kids come into my practice who have an autism diagnosis, but in reality, I think it's more closely related to pans and pandas. The reason being because there are a number of infections present. So what happens in pans and pandas is that we're seeing various infections or other triggers like mold
Erin Paige 3:41
or other environmental toxicities that are creating neuro inflammatory responses that look like behaviors. And I think that's what's so important to really understand, is that when you're looking at a kid with pans and pandas, they might look like they have, you know, various OCD kinds of behaviors, or really high anxiety, or,
Erin Paige 4:05
you know, lots of things like pacing back and forth, those kinds of things can often indicate that there's something else going on. So even if your child has an autism diagnosis, what I would really encourage parents to do is to look into what kinds of infections are present in that particular kid. Are there other environmental triggers, like mold in the home, for example, or in the school that might be creating some kind of trigger for that particular child and pushing them into a pans pandas state. So that's one thing I think that it's imperative for most parents to really understand when we treat homeopathically. So when I'm looking at a child in front of me, I'm not looking at a diagnosis anyway. And. I'm I'm looking at the symptom picture, you know, what is this child doing? What kinds of behaviors are they having? Are they having a bowel movement? You know, simple things like that. All of those pieces of the puzzle will help me to understand how we might be able to treat that child with a homeopathic remedy. And the one thing I've done many talks on this before, but the one thing that I love about homeopathy, particularly with complex pediatric cases, is that we have an opportunity to open up a case very easily. Why? Because a homeopathic remedy is a tiny, little sugar pill, and it looks like a little sprinkle on top of a cupcake, for example. And most kids have no problem taking it, even kids I've had kids with real extreme arfid and things like that, who have no problems taking homeopathic remedies. And if they do, we can always give them a dose in water, for example. So, you know, I think that that's something that is really, really helpful for a lot of parents to know and understand when you feel like you're stuck, when you feel like they're, you know, I can't get my kid to take the things that they're being you know, told to take. I don't know what else to do or where else to turn homeopathy can be a wonderful addition to your child's care, because then we can open up that case for further treatment.
Len Arcuri 6:32
All right, no, I appreciate that. And yeah, I think you covered a lot of ground with that response. I think the thing that's popping into my mind is the idea like, you know, we have, we're talking about pants and pandas now, name of this podcast is autism. There's all these diagnoses, if you will. And it gets a little bit confusing, especially if you're trying to treat a label or a diagnosis. So in terms of what's going on with a child, the key is this identification of the root causes that are behind those symptoms. And so when you think of pans and pandas, that particular condition, the concept is at the root may be this infection or something to do with strep, right? So, like, you have these two conditions, and yes, it may be your child's exhibiting certain behaviors, but what's the root you know that that's that's the important thing, and especially with autism, that's just a label. And I kind of always look at kids on the spectrum, okay, either you have a toxicity kid or you have a trauma kid, sometimes a combination of both, but there's these underlying root causes, these structures that really are where to focus. And I know functional medicine is all about root cause, and homeopathy, in its own way, it's also about the root cause, but as you started to mention, it's also about really looking at those symptoms in great detail to see what clues they reveal. Is that correct?
Erin Paige 8:03
Yeah, absolutely. So with there are a few schools of thought with homeopathy, so I'll just kind of, you know, give an idea of what those might be, and so that parents here can understand what might be most suitable for their family. So Classical Homeopathy, which many people may have already heard about, is an approach of one remedy for a child for essentially the duration of their life, that that remedy is the perfect fit for that child's personality and physical constitution and the collection of symptoms that they experience. What I've found through my own practice is that a classical approach can be very, very helpful for some kids, initially, kids that maybe we catch it very early. Maybe it's, you know, very early intervention with autism, or with pans pandas, overnight onset, then we do a constitutional treatment or a classical approach for that particular child, and we see resolution of those symptoms. The vast majority of people I see, however, are not in that state. So Len, you know that, you know, most of these parents have been searching out treatments for, you know, sometimes decades. So we're talking about, you know, kids who've been highly impacted both by toxicities and deficiencies as well as kind of, you know, all these other environmental triggers and assault, as well as traumas, like medical traumas, for example. So when I'm looking at a case, I'm looking at it from a few different perspectives. Do we know if the child has infections? Sometimes we have blood blood testing, sometimes we don't. I. Um, I have become quite skilled at being able to understand what infections might be present based upon the symptom picture.
Erin Paige 10:09
A lot of that is intuitive. A lot of that is experience. But I can tell you just anecdotally, my son, for example, started ramping up some of his symptoms, and I went to his functional doctor, and I said, Can you please test him for mycoplasma? And he said, Okay, well, I'll do it, but I don't really understand why. And I said, Just, please trust me. So he ran his own battery of tests. We also ran mycoplasma. Lo and behold, the only thing that came back positive was mycoplasma. Now, the only reason I knew that because he was totally asymptomatic for mycoplasma was because I'm experienced in understanding what symptoms present with what illness, and so he was shocked and surprised. And you know, I think maybe believes a little bit more in in what I do, in homeopathy,
Erin Paige 11:05
maybe, but, but those kinds of stories can illustrate why these particular children respond, For example, to things like nosodes. So in my practice, I use a lot of nosodes. So nosodes are homeopathic remedies that are the energetic signature of a particular illness. So if we're using the example of my son's mycoplasma, I then dosed him with mycoplasma pneumoniae in in homeopathic potency, and we watched his titers go down. So those kinds of things, I think, can be very helpful, particularly for children who have a multitude of infections, and we can still support them with what I call more of a totality remedy, which looks at the overall symptom picture, more of a constitutional kind of remedy like you would see in Classical Homeopathy, to address some of the more mental, emotional stuff, to address maybe some of like the gut stuff, or things like that. So no zones are one of the ways that I do that certainly a totality remedy, or a classical remedy, is another approach. And then I'm also looking at things like, does this kid have a lot of deficiencies? Do we need to work on something physically to get them to a better state of health so that they don't feel so crappy. Pardon me, my language all the time, but, but a lot of these kids just don't feel physically well, right? And so if we can get them to a place where they feel a little bit better than the behavior start to improve on their own, naturally, I think this is
Len Arcuri 12:59
a topic that the more expansive we can get, the better, because it really is hard to get your head around. So I'm going to just pause this for a second, because if someone's listening, some people I'm sure are tracking, others may not be. So just kind of going at a higher level homeopathy is a very different concept of wellness. And so I'll give a couple sentences, and then you fill in the blanks, because I think you you'll have a much more elegant, elegant way of describing this. But with homeopathy, the concept underlying this is that there's nothing more powerful than the body's natural ability to heal. And in some ways, for what, for a variety of reasons, probably environmental toxicity, primarily, our bodies get stuck, especially our kids get stuck. And so the concept of homeopathy is that for each individual person, Classical Homeopathy says there's one specific remedy that is a great match to kind of unlock that that person, that child, to enable them to restore and repair and thrive. And I think what you've talked about, Aaron, is that for many of our kids, those on the spectrum, especially or just with complex situations, Classical Homeopathy may not be enough, and it may take a multi, multi pronged approach. But at its core, homeopathy is not trying to do anything to the body. It's trying to just help the body get unstuck, and for the body's natural, much more powerful innate intelligence, to help get a child unstuck. And you know, in terms of those symptoms that are manifesting, they may be manifesting because the body's caught in a loop. So how did I do with that? And what would you add to that? To add more color?
Erin Paige 14:53
Yeah, I think that's beautiful. So, you know, when we're looking at a child, you know, I'm looking at what. What makes that child unique, what makes them tick, what kinds of symptoms they're typically expressing? You know, sometimes they'll be neurological kinds of symptoms, sometimes it's gut kinds of symptoms, but but the idea is to introduce something into the body that will allow the body's own natural immunity to take over. So for example, when I'm dosing something like a nosode, the idea is it's signaling the body. Hey, there's something that we need to take a look at. Can we figure out how to take care of this? Once it signals to the body, hey, this is a problem, right? Then we allow the body to take over and to begin to heal itself. So homeopathy is true. Root Cause healing in the fact that we are allowing the body to do the healing, right? I don't do the healing. Even the pellets don't do the healing. Your body does the healing. It is only in the concept of energetically sharing, showing your body what needs to be healed, and allowing it to then take over and get back online. Because, like you said, so many of these kids have really been overwhelmed with, you know, toxicity, whether that's, you know, a multitude of vaccines, or it's, you know, a number of other environmental assaults, you know, just think about all of the things that we have in our environment today that We didn't have even, you know, 4050, years ago. So, you know, our kids are really growing up in this toxic soup. So the idea of allowing our own bodies to to take over and do the healing while in concept is fantastic and works very, very efficiently. It is very difficult in today's day and age to take that very singular remedy kind of approach, because it's just too overwhelmed with all these other messages. I think of it like Las Vegas, for example, right? Like, I don't know about you, but I cannot stand being in Las Vegas. I haven't been in probably 20 years. But regardless, it is so overwhelming to the system that is very difficult to focus and that is what I feel is going on in these kids bodies, is they're just so overwhelmed by the, you know, the massive amounts of of, you know, toxic hits that they're getting on a daily basis, whether it's EMF or mold or, you know, repeated traumas, you know, or infections, or, you know, just the stress of everyday living, like not being able to communicate, for example. So all of these kinds of things add up, and it makes it so that the body becomes has trouble focusing, maybe, maybe it's like a little bit of ADHD inside the body, right? And so when we can give it that signal, like, Okay, this is what we want you to focus on, then that is what helps us spur on that homeopathic healing. So hopefully that helps those of you who I are unfamiliar with homeopathy as of yet, but I hope I explained that,
Len Arcuri 18:43
yeah, no, it's well, you touched on a very common refrain, you know, in terms of this, the toxic overload, the huge amount of exposure that our kids are having compared to, you know, 1020, 30 years ago, it's a very different environment. Patty Lemmer was on this, this podcast about a month ago, her book, total load is all about that, all the all those stressors that are everywhere. So the strategy for any parent is to play better defense. But I think homeopathy is a really, very powerful approach. And again, being educated on what it is and how it works is really important, because it seems so implausible. And you mentioned just a little bit ago about how homeopathy is all about a root cause focus, again, because I'm obsessed with root causes in homeopathy speak, it's basically, I think all versions of this same statement, the body is stuck because of infection, strep infection, something of that nature. Or the body is stuck because of toxic overload, whether it's EMFs, mold, chemicals, pesticides. So basically, the problem that homeopathy solves is that the body's caught in a loop. We're stuck, and the reason it's there can take a lot of different forms. So when you say homeopathy is all about the root cause, it's ultimately that, right? You're getting to what is hampering the body's innate ability to do what was it was designed
Erin Paige 20:14
to do, yeah, and I think in that way, it's almost going beyond root cause, right? Because we're not even looking at, you know, a pill for an ill kind of a thing. We're looking at uprooting what is going on and and putting the immune system back online so that then the next time we see, you know, strep, for example, which is a major deal in my world. And you know, lots of these pans, pandas, cases, you know, the body knows what to do. The body knows how to handle it. And so, you know, for example, I have a lot of patients who have had recurrent strep, you know, as young children, and then, you know, it turned into a panda situation, this particular child, you know, looks like behavior parents don't really know or understand, and it takes a long time to get that diagnosis, for them to understand that this, The strep, repeated strep is a problem, and they might be completely asymptomatic of strep for years, but, you know, they'll still code culture positive. So they'll still get a positive throat culture. They'll still, you know, I have really inflamed tonsils, adenoids, and some of them will have high titers in their blood repeatedly, some of them in their gut. So, you know, it's because, you know, we're we're not designed to look for an illness when there are no symptoms. And so what homeopathy can do is to get to that the energetic signature of, you know, strep for example, and sometimes these kids will actually start to develop a little bit of symptoms of strep throat temporarily for a couple of days, as the body is kind of figuring it out. Because I think it's important to remember that acute symptoms are your body working. And I think a lot of times we get afraid of those kinds of things. You know, we get afraid of the sore throat or the fever or these kinds of things over and over and over again. But I think the most important thing to remember is that if we continue to suppress it, we're telling the body we don't need you. We don't need you to work in that way. And so I think that's another piece of the puzzle, and another thing that I do in my practice is to help people detox from the numerous pharmaceuticals that they've utilized to suppress the symptoms. And I think that's always something super important to consider, is, you know, when you are telling your body to stop functioning in the way that it is designed to function, for example, even just, you know, fever suppressive kinds of of medication on a repeated basis, because, you know, mom or dad gets a little bit afraid when the fever starts to get a little bit higher, even though the child is, you know, talkative or whatever, you know, we have to understand that that symptom is your body's defense. It is how your body operates in in order to take care of the infection. So the more we choose to suppress things, then the more likely we are to drive them deeper into the body, instead of to allow them to play out. And so, you know, a lot of the kids with particularly with pans and pandas, I've found they've been on a massive amount of, you know, suppressive kinds of medications, even antibiotics, for example, anyway, so kind of a long winded way of saying that, you know, in homeopathy, we can address All of these things with, like you said, a multi pronged approach. So looking at the various challenges that that particular child's body is experiencing, and how can we utilize homeopathy to bring them back into a state of balance and to get their immune systems back online?
Len Arcuri 24:41
Got it? Yeah, as you're talking, I'm just thinking that philosophically, there's two very different schools of thought. Western medicine, and in all its forms, it's really about mankind trying to figure out what to do to suppress symptoms, to prevent symptoms, something of that nature or. Whereas homeopathy is really just putting the chips on the body knows what to do, you know? So that's where it's a wildly different approach to wellness. And again, it's something which I was very skeptical on. My wife, Cass is the one who wanted to go down this road, and thankfully I didn't get in our way, because it was such an incredibly critical piece of my son's journey that unlocks so much for him. So I get the skepticism, because I've been there and again, just better understanding why this works, how it works, which can challenge conventional thinking. It's, it's, it's amazing what this has opened up for us. And the beautiful thing about it is, as you touched on, I think initially it's very easy for a child to take right? It couldn't be anything easier. And the downside profile is so minimal, because you're not introducing anything really other than gently nudging the body to remember what it's designed
Erin Paige 26:05
to do. I've done a multitude of talks titled making the case for homeopathy as a first line intervention, and I think the reason I'm so passionate about that is because I see kids who go down the route of conventional medicine, oftentimes, even when conventional medicine is what got them there in the first place. And note, this is by no means a knock on doctors whatsoever, or parents, for that matter, you do which the best you can in the situation that you're given with the knowledge that you have, but you know, unfortunately, going further down this road, further suppressing, for example, continuing to utilize, you know, pharma, pharmacological interventions that, unfortunately, you know, especially in The world of pans and pandas, and because we're talking about things like SSRIs and benzodiazepines and things like that, which unfortunately do not recognize that there may be some kind of underlying infection, and we really have to target that infectious piece before we even think about, you know, going down the route of of, you know, psychological kinds of medications. But the other piece I wanted to mention, which I think is so important, is, you know, the vast majority of the kids I see have been sick a long time, and that becomes very difficult to truly understand their personality. You know, I've got non speaking patients, for example, so and they, some of them, have become spellers recently, and their parents are absolutely shocked by some of the things that they're saying in their late teens, early 20s, right? So, because they had no idea. So you know, when we're dealing with kids like this, who have been impacted by autism, by pans and Pandas for a long period of time, we can only guess really, what they are going through, and what they are experiencing, even the kids, the young kids, who can't explain to us physically what is happening in their body, right? They can't really explain why their stomach hurts, because maybe they have some anxiety about something, or, you know, why they have a headache, because maybe it's, you know, a neuroinflammatory response from walking into a moldy house. So all of these kinds of things, they are, they're not equipped to be able to communicate with us. It's really important that we recognize and understand that with homeopathy, we can peel back some of those layers, and then we can start to see the true symptom picture and the true personality of that child, because, you know, so often, you know I will be I take a lot of for some reason, I see a lot of teenagers these days, and maybe because my son is 18 now, so I don't know if that's that's The reason. But anyway, I see a lot of teenagers, and you know, sometimes the parents will be in the appointment with the teen, and you know, mom will say something, and the kid will look like, no, that's not it at all. You know what I mean. So our interpretations of how our kids are experiencing these symptoms might be completely different from what their actual experience is. So I do think sometimes it's important to understand that, you know, when we're looking at it, at the child in front of us, and. And their quote, unquote, symptoms. Sometimes our experience of their symptoms is much different than their own. So, you know, I do think sometimes it's it's important to to get a good understanding from that child, either directly or, you know, or by peeling back some of these layers to kind of get a better idea of where they're at, instead of just presuming that we know what that particular child is experiencing. And I think that's the beauty of what homeopathy can do, is because we can peel back some of the layers of toxicity. For example, somehow they their bodies and their minds start to free up and feel a little bit lighter, and they can then explain things with much more clarity, because they don't have like the Las Vegas style lights coming in from all directions quite as
Len Arcuri 31:00
much, and that's really the foundation of homeopathy, right? Like a homeopath, when you meet with one, it's going to take a while, because they want a lot of data. They want to know all the details. And so sometimes that's a little bit off putting, but I think that's dynamite, you know, for somebody to really go in, to really get a sense of everything that's happening with a child. And again, when you're working with a homeopath like Aaron, they they do something with all that information, and there's a way of using homeopathy to address all those stressors. And there's a lot of concepts in homeopathy that we won't have a time to go into the law of similars and the importance of the timeline and really looking at what's happened with your child. But yeah, this is all under this banner of energetic medicine, and it's incredibly powerful, especially if you're working with somebody who's got deep experience. So I know any parents who are listening, you know, who may have pans and pandas, they're going to want to know, okay, well, what are the remedies, right? And you know there, I'm guessing you would say, well, there is no one or two remedies. It's really more nuanced than that. But the important thing is, is that through the right remedy for what's happening with your child, there's a lot you can, you can do to address this situation where these kids are in a very kind of agitated, intense
Erin Paige 32:20
state, yeah, and just a quick note on that too. I think it's very helpful for a lot of parents who, in my practice, I'm also utilizing a Rescue Remedy, and that is for children that that go into crisis, that fly into panic attacks or rages. You know, these very challenging behaviors that parents don't know how to handle and feel that their child or their family is unsafe around their child. In those particular scenarios, homeopathic remedies can be dosed at that time, and I have seen turnarounds happen within minutes, before you could even pick up the phone and call for help, you can experience some symptom relief with homeopathic remedy, the right homeopathic remedy, dosed at the right time. So I think, you know, I hope anyway, as a parent who has experienced those kinds of things myself, that that offers other parents a bit of hope that there is something that you may be able to do to assist your child during those crisis modes. Because, you know, I we all know that. You know, those moments can be very, very scary for the entire family. So I think that's something of note that maybe we'll put some some parents at a little bit more ease when it comes to at least giving homeopathy a try, right?
Len Arcuri 33:59
Yeah, no, I can attest to it's super easy. Can be incredibly effective immediately. And again, it's about knowing what makes the most sense, what your child might respond to. So, yeah, so homeopathy, phenomenal, easy to discount, but there's so much opportunity there. It's virtually zero downside. But yes, the key is having somebody who is advising you with that skill set. So So yeah, I appreciate you going into more detail about what this looks like. Aaron, where can people if they want to find out more about you? How can they reach you? And I know you have your podcasts, tell them where they need to go,
Erin Paige 34:36
so everything can be found on my website. And is heart wing healing, H, E, A, R T, wing healing.com. Information for the podcast is there. The podcast is available on Spotify apple and anywhere you find your podcast, including rumble I want I'm now on video. So, yeah. I got kicked off of YouTube a few times, but,
Len Arcuri 35:04
well, Richard has never gone on YouTube for that reason, but maybe eventually, but great. Well, it'll all be in the show notes, but yeah, Aaron, I appreciate you spelling this out, because this is a condition. I know that a lot more parents perhaps are missing early on, but it's been maybe that's why you're seeing a lot more teenagers, because I think sometimes parents miss this as what might be happening and and so it's never too late once you have information. And I appreciate you shedding light on what this road looks like, a very different road, an energetic road, but a powerful one nonetheless. So thanks very much. Aaron, thanks for having me. Your child needs you running on all cylinders now and the fastest way to rise is with personalized one on one. Support. Get started today. Go to elevatehowyounavigate.com.
