Episode 251 — Stabilize The NERVOUS SYSTEM, Unlock MOMENTUM

Guest: Tony Ebel • Date: April 15, 2025

Episode Overview

Dr. Tony Ebel joins Len to share how true progress happens when a child’s nervous system is calm and regulated. Many kids stay stuck not by choice but because their system is constantly on high alert.

About Tony Ebel

Dr. Tony Ebel is a husband, father of four, and a Certified Pediatric + Wellness Chiropractor with 15 years of clinical experience. For over a decade, he’s trained chiropractors in the protocols he developed for neurodevelopmental challenges like autism, ADHD, sensory issues, epilepsy, and anxiety. He leads the Perfect Storm clinic, taking on complex neurological cases from around the world, and his clinical program — now taught through Life University — has over 700 graduates. Dr. Tony is passionate about helping parents understand how the nervous system plays a key role in natural, drug-free healing.

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You’ll Discover

• Why Chiropractic is the Foundation of Healing (3:58)

• The Perfect StormSequence (8:55)

• The Case For Neurotically Focused Chiropractic (13:49)

• The Massive Prevalence of Birth Trauma (16:13)

• C-Section Births and Their Effects (17:12)

• The Backstory ofThe Perfect Storm Framework(23:35)

• A Step Parents Would Like to Skip, But Can’t (29:33)

Referenced in This Episode

• Registration for the Autism Virtual Summit (or replay): What's Working Best Right Now: Helping Kids with Autism Thrive thepxdocs.com/summit

• What are the Lasting Effects of C-Section Complications?

• Documenting Hope

Full Transcript

Len Arcuri (00:01.447)
Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. It's Len. That didn't come out, right? Let me try it again. Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. It's Len. And this week we're focusing on what truly holds our kids back and how to break through it. As a parent, it's easy to feel stuck, overwhelmed, and unsure about what to do next. And that's why you're here. This podcast exists to help you get more regulated, more grounded, more equipped to help you lead your child forward.

But one of the most overlooked factors holding back our kids is their nervous system, especially when it's locked in survival mode. When that happens, your child may seem anxious, reactive, or shut down, not because of who they are, but because their system doesn't feel safe enough to grow and connect. And that's why I'm so excited to welcome back Dr. Tony Ebel. He's a pediatric and family chiropractor, the creator of the Perfect Storm Framework, and the leader behind PX Docs.

a nationwide network of neurologically focused chiropractors helping families find answers and real relief. When the nervous system calms and begins to reset, big shifts happen. Regulation becomes possible and the path forward gets so much clearer. The secret this week is stabilize the nervous system, unlock momentum. Welcome Dr. Tony.

Dr. Tony Ebel (01:24.066)
Yep. You are right on it, right out of the gates, brother man. I am so excited to be on this podcast again. You guys deliver just, you deliver information to families that moves the needle. And that can't be said for everything and everyone out there. And just right to it, like you shared there in the description of what we're going to talk about. We know for our kiddos that they're overly reactive. So we're living multiple problems at one time as parents of our perfect storm kiddos.

They're too reactive. Well, that's a frustration, but they're also under responsive. We're doing all of these things and we're going to talk all about this. We're doing all these things and it's just like, well, this one, why isn't this one working? And why isn't this one working? And why isn't this one working? Why aren't they all working? And so what you're going to learn with the neuroscience behind all this is both of those problems, the too much reaction, right? So all these different things that we want to cool down and end lesson, and then also not being responsive to the good things.

That is actually, it has the same root cause.

Len Arcuri (02:25.917)
Yep. And that's a revelation, right? Where regardless, it's a dis-regulation of some kind. And again, it's easy to hear that concept, but very easy, I think, for a parent to miss the mark of actually doing anything meaningful that gets at that. Because the eye candy that's out there of the other things you can do seems so much more kind of appealing in some way. Chiropractic feels for many parents like, okay, well that just

Seems like that might be too long or might be inconvenient. And as I've learned and my wife Cass has learned, all the inconvenient things were the things that moved the needle the most for my child. So I think parents just don't really appreciate this concept enough.

Dr. Tony Ebel (03:07.022)
Cheers.

Dr. Tony Ebel (03:12.054)
Yeah, well, let's just come out of the gate swinging with it for everybody listening, because we know, you know, we're so blessed to have these podcasts that we know our audience is a well-versed, sometimes, you know, almost too many cookbooks, right? It's like, okay, which one am going to open up and, you know, choose one from today? And so let's just go right to it. So chiropractic is foundational for getting your child better. Now that may sound like a statement where you're like, okay, what the heck? How would you describe it that way? Well,

Now I'm going to say the same thing, but I'm going to change the first word. Nervous system regulation is foundational for breakthrough and for results from anything and everything. In fact, when you do just that, if we just minimize it and focus it to that, you you get a ton of incredible changes from that, but also it's one plus one equals 11 in the good direction that once you get the foundational nervous system, you get it out of the sympathetic storm, you get the vagus nerve rolling again. So addressing dysregulation,

means you have the nervous system calm and regulated and resilient and adaptable and responsive. And so that is what chiropractic does. And so I did a little bit of wordsmithing there to say, okay, no one would argue at all that taking care of the nervous system, you know, the system that controls every other system of the body from the gut to the immune system and inflammation to the sensory system, to our motor tone and coordination, to our endocrine system.

It's all governed by the nervous system. So when you know that chiropractic is the most potent direct influence to the brain and the nervous system, well now you can start to really see it for the transformative power that it has. And I'll finish this first run with this. If that is not how you've seen chiropractic at all before, that's not your fault by the way, parents. That is our profession's fault for walking around with a picture of the freaking spine everywhere and.

cracking backs and billing insurance. Chiropractic got caught up in the health insurance industry destroyed chiropractic too. They started to pay people for back pain and neck pain. So chiropractic terribly rebranded itself from the nervous system and full life transformation like it's always been about. Like if you actually read the way chiropractic was presented in the 1920s, you'd actually have a better understanding of it than over the last couple of generations. Thankfully, as the nervous system is now trending, finally.

Dr. Tony Ebel (05:37.964)
You know, cold plunges to whoops and whatnot. It's getting fixed again, kind of like food. I always joke like, it's annoying actually, Lin, that I have to kind of say neurologically focused chiropractic because chiropractic should just be known as neurologically focused. It's like saying organic food. You're actually just talking about food. You know, the other food should have the descriptors, you know, but anyways, that's where we are today. And so it is, it holds all the power. And then we can go here next.

It's the first thing that will really cause breakthrough, but it actually usually shows up in parents' lives with autism. It shows up later on down the list, especially around this time where it's like, oh my gosh, I'm doing seven things, 17 things, and that mom and dad gut, it really hits you hard where you're like, maybe we're doing too much, and maybe we need to almost kind of go backwards to go forward. If you're there at all, what you're looking for to solve that riddle,

really actually is nervous system regulation and carbon.

Len Arcuri (06:39.281)
Right. And bringing it back to the foundation, right? That's the key word there. And that's where I think because of the misconception of what chiropractic is, which is very, again, as you said, very understandable. People don't understand it's about the brain much more than anything else. but the, the idea that chiropractic is an option. I think for many parents, it's something that they're aware of, but I think they really feel like, that's kind of a nice.

Dr. Tony Ebel (06:41.068)
Yeah. Yeah.

Len Arcuri (07:08.175)
If we have the time or the energy, maybe we can add that, but that's where again, the big risk is ignoring these foundational approaches that have to come first. So can you talk a little bit about why nervous system regulation has to come before the other things?

Dr. Tony Ebel (07:08.888)
True.

Dr. Tony Ebel (07:28.108)
Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So let's go backwards to go forward. So let's look at the perfect storm in quick abbreviation. So here's what really causes our kids to get sick and get stuck in this storm of autism. Okay, we all today, especially our audiences are the most well versed. Once you ditch the conventional medical system and the pediatrician, which you know, we all know, not only doesn't help us get out of the storm, but is a pretty large reason as to why we got put there in the first place, right? So another conversation for another day, but then you go into the natural holistic root cause world.

And when you get on the majority of places in this world that Len and I and all of our families now live in, we'll just umbrella it as natural and holistic. Everybody's going to blame toxins and diet and the environment. Now, I am not about to take those guys out of the blame pie. Okay. But we're going to go through the perfect storm sequence. So 80 % of cases, it used to only be 60 to 70%, but the medical system continues to get terrible with the way we take care of fertility and pregnancy.

So 80 % of our case histories of autism now today in the clinic and across the whole PRX Docs network has high amounts of fertility and maternal distress. Really simplifying this for time's sake, that stress on mom's nervous system, mom's nervous system controls and dictates babies developing what's called fetal brain development. So what we now know from research with HRVs, heart rate variability on mom while pregnant, is that they're in a more sympathetic dominant state.

the parasympathetic vagus nerve regulation system, which we'll need to get back online to get to breakthrough later on, it actually isn't just short-circuited. It'll get short-circuited by the next thing. It's underdeveloped. It's literally underdeveloped because we have these more sympathetic dominant pregnancies, we'll call them. That's the first factor. Second factor is birth trauma. So now you have physical injury from birth interventions to the brainstem, to the neck and neck and nervous system. So earlier I said, okay, chiropractic,

foundational nervous system work, make those two words synonymous, make birth intervention synonymous with birth trauma, and make the neck and the nervous system synonymous in your understanding parents, because that upper neck and brainstem, it's the whole air traffic control for the autonomic nervous system and the central nervous system. Kind of the same thing, but they technically have a little bit different features. And so then toxins...

Dr. Tony Ebel (09:48.21)
Now when I, so we already have our kiddos then even before birth and especially from birth are shifted into this sympathetic fight or flight state and they're locked in there. They're in that survival mode, not growth, not poop, not sleep, not, you know, development and maturation mode. Well, now when you put toxins and gluten and dairy into that system, it can't get it out because the nervous system controls the gut, the immune system, detoxification. And so if you look at case histories,

of the sequence where stress sets up shop first, it sets up shop sequentially on the nervous system first. And it gets really driven deep into that dysautonomia, dysregulation. There's a catchall chiropractic word for this called subluxation. And now the gut issues, the neuroinflammation that you can't get a hold of, the retained primitive reflexes, even tongue ties. Those are just soft tissue responses to neuro issues.

Right? And so if you put together the case history and then you put together, okay, well, how is the nervous system supposed to grow and develop? So if we look at it from an ideal state, well, it's nervous system first. It's the tone and the function and the regulation of the nervous system. And so last chapter of answering this one. So now most of the targeted therapies and interventions that we have in the autism world, this group over here targets the gut. And we know that there's a gut brain connection and that's true, but there's a brain gut connection first.

You know, sequentially. so this, this over here targets gut health and the microbiome. This over here targets inflammation. This over here targets the, the endocrine system, PTOT movement-based therapies, MNRI, they're working on soft tissues and motor. All of these systems are secondarily tethered to the primary major function of the nervous system. And so what's happened is you're doing three things, seven things, 37 things, and they're all working, they're all barking up the right.

road, but they're not really getting to the roots. The gut is essential. Inflammation is essential, but neurology, central, autonomic nervous system function is the literal definition of essential. And so what we find all the time, and I agree, Lin, we were chatting ahead of time, I think it's where parents are nowadays, which is awesome, more access to more things. I actually think this is the most important conversation we can have on our platforms today is

Dr. Tony Ebel (12:15.98)
You're doing everything, you're stuck, you're not getting a breakthrough, and you can't quite see the forest or the trees. It's actually really pretty simple, which is why it's so profound, right? To go, it's the fricking nervous system. It's the foundation this whole time, you know? So it might feel like for lot of parents after this one, that you got to go backwards to go forward. You're not going backwards at all. You're not going backwards at all. You're just now able to be addressing the foundation. And that's why chiropractic can't be

an additional thing to do if we have the time and it's nice. It actually, and if it was something else, you guys, Len knows me and those, I care nothing about anything other than results. Results, results, results, optimal full results. If it was something else that had this much transformative power, I'd be this vocal about that something else, right? I know I have the initials behind my name, but I've studied this. I've gone to every...

I was functional nutrition before was good, before freaking Instagram and Facebook and anything even happened. I knew all about this stuff. I was like freaking fermenting foods inside a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. Back in the day, okay, I actually didn't do that, but now that I said it out loud, I wonder if it would work. Anyways, I get that there's so many other wildly helpful things, but I will never shut up about this one thing, neurologically focused chiropractic.

Len Arcuri (13:13.245)
Thank

Dr. Tony Ebel (13:38.742)
The science of the storm and the science of brain development needs to be the same as the science and the sequence, the batting order of healing. We've got to follow it because it's just how it works.

Len Arcuri (13:50.301)
That's powerful and two thoughts have come to my mind right now because I'm a numbers guy. We talked before this episode. I'm always... So when you talk about birth trauma particularly and these conditions that for a lot of these kids that they have, the key is with birth trauma, it's not a tiny percentage, right? So like if I were to ask you what percent of kids generally have some form of birth trauma that in some meaningful ways holding them back,

Dr. Tony Ebel (13:54.914)
Yeah. Yep.

Len Arcuri (14:19.387)
My guess is that's gonna be a high percentage, correct?

Dr. Tony Ebel (14:21.134)
99%. 99. I have even, let's go there for just a hot second on the details and I'll run it with math. I actually just, there's an osteopathic study that came out many years ago that literally showed 99 out of a hundred. And these were healthy newborns. Now, obviously they were only a couple of days to hours old. And so they, in osteopathic work, very similar to chiropractic, actually old school osteopathic. They kind of sold out now for the most part.

You know, and they're, okay, can I just make sure it's you? I can make inappropriate jokes to a degree on this one, right? Yeah. Okay. So the joke in chiropractic, so osteopathic and chiropractic used to be very similar, not about drugs, not about vaccinations, not about medications. And so osteopaths used to do manipulations. Their theory is it's about freeing up adhesions or restrictions. We would call them subluxations to get fluid going. We are about fluid, but most importantly about nervous system. So the joke Glenn used to be that osteopaths used to use.

Len Arcuri (14:51.034)
Absolutely.

Dr. Tony Ebel (15:14.092)
They used to need all 10 fingers. Now they only need three because that's what it takes to hold a pen and write a prescription. Okay. That's rude. might, that's, but kind of true. All right. So with this, they did a study, 99 out of a hundred healthy newborns had at least one, what's called pattern or location of somatic dysfunction, their term for subluxation. The longer the birth, more subluxation. The more interventions, more severe subluxations.

I have in my entire career, I check babies who are born at home in a tub, Bob Marley playing an incense. And it's just not an easy journey for the head and neck of the infant to make their way into the world. So they will have minor subtle subluxations and obviously your forceps, your vacuum, your emergency C-section, those are the toughest of cases that are screaming down the road to the perfect storm. And so it's 99 % within a scale, if you will, or a spectrum of severity based upon the intervention.

Len Arcuri (16:11.453)
That's very helpful and how about a follow-up question on that? Because I know a lot of families, especially ones that I've been coaching, also have the experience that we had, that my wife had, it was a C-section, where the child didn't have to go through the normal birthing process and all those things that you mentioned. But a C-section birth can even be as traumatic as a natural birth, correct?

Dr. Tony Ebel (16:37.644)
And sometimes more. Well, it is more. And here's why. And there's multiple things. I'll rapid fire them. And then remind me, we wrote a really cool article about all the neurophysiological effects of C-section. And I recently updated it because I realized there was one thing I want to add to this that I forgot to write into it. I'll send it. Morgan send it to you guys to send it out for everybody. So because there's depth here and I want to highlight it, but I also for parents who've had it, I think it's important to know the depth. So C-section, first and foremost, it's the upper neck and the brain stem.

So now instead of moms, muscles and pelvic floor guiding and encouraging the child out like, I have checked babies at birth who don't need to be adjusted. Okay, it is designed brilliantly by God. The head and neck are, it's called cranial molding, right? That happens as they go through, they go through the stages and the phases and it's peristaltic just like digestion and different concentric muscles are moving and guiding the child through. And then even after the head and neck crowns,

the brilliance of mom's body and the nervous system and design is then muscles. These are not conscious. This is not a voluntary thing you need to think about. It happens through the sensory autonomic nervous system. Then different muscles will, you know, contract and turn the baby to get the shoulders out. Well, in a C-section, the doctor has to do all that. They got to get a hold of the head and neck, yank and twist them out through, and I just have to say it how it goes. I'm going to use very frank terminology. They have to get a hold of the head and neck. They grab a hold of the neck.

to do so, and the brainstem region, they have to pull the head through the incision, and then they have to twist the head and the neck to get the torso out. And so not only is mom not, because it's coming through the abdomen, right, versus the birth canal, so not only is mom's body not helping this process, it's actually innately guarding against it, right? There's restriction, there's what's called distension and axial traction. That's the first problem. So we have these huge upper cervical subluxations.

what's called counter torque rotation, Atlas, Atlas and Axis vertebrae get way out of alignment. Cranial bones get really, really, you'll get a lot of plagiocephalate, torticollis, neuroinflammation because the cranial bones get stuck because they didn't get molded and guided. And then that's not all. The second thing that this audience might be aware of too is, when you don't go through the birth canal, you don't pick up the good bad guys, meaning good bacteria. Now that's important, but there's actually a third, I'm gonna skip that because I think this audience kind of knows that well.

Dr. Tony Ebel (19:02.072)
so you don't get that colonization of the gut. The third thing that even chiropractors don't talk about enough is when a child goes through the vaginal birth, they also, after they had a neck crown, there is a concentric contraction by mom's pelvic floor muscles to kick the fluid out of the lungs, which jumpstarts the baby breathing on their own. It's...

And we, this goofy term maybe for somebody who's really brand new to chiropractic, in our world, we call it innate first adjustment. So in a C-section kiddo, they miss that thoracic. So the location of that would be what's called the torso or the chest and the thoracics. So now what we find, Len, is our C-section babies have severe upper cervical subluxations and their thoracic spine, become these, they get so many ear infections, respiratory infections, RSV, croup.

asthma, allergies, bronchitis because their thoracic cage becomes so subluxated and fixated that they can't move fluid through. Well, guess what? Now you get antibiotics. Now antibiotics destroy the gut, which never even got colonized in the first place. So that's a double-edged sword. And what happens to the last thing, and there's even more, but I'll leave it at this, that upper thoracic subluxation is a big deal because when a child has a lot of tension, and moms and dads, just think about your little one who's

maybe that raging bull, sensory spectrum kiddo, you can see their traps like stuck on their ears. I know I'm doing it now on the video and you guys are listening to podcasts, but you can see that tension in their upper back and their shoulders. That's why they love deep hugs from you. That's why they love big squeezes and weighted blankets, because all of that anxiety and that anger and that tension, we've all felt it, the mom's own, the dad's own. When you have tons of tension in your traps, between your shoulder blades and your upper back, does it stay there?

Or does it go up into your brainstem, into your skull, cause tension headaches, cause anxiety, cause irritation, cause you to be grumpy with your spouse, right? And everybody else will try being that as a baby. You know, so sorry, that's a lot to answer a C-section question, but it's a big deal. The neurophysiological downstream effects of it are a lot. And the medical world has just normalized it, swept it under the rug and said, don't worry, they'll grow out of it. They don't grow out of it. They grow into.

Dr. Tony Ebel (21:25.302)
autism, ADHD and chronic illness.

Len Arcuri (21:27.907)
No, that's dynamite. mean, a lot of that is new to me. That is really interesting. It helps explain a lot. And yeah, for these kids especially, and of course, everything we're talking about is applicable to adults as well. But these kids as well, it's just pressure that continues to build and build and build. And as you were talking overall about, again, this opportunity, why it's foundational and why it's not kind of a luxury to add it if you can find the time.

Dr. Tony Ebel (21:40.546)
Yes it is.

Len Arcuri (21:56.817)
The term that keeps coming up in my mind as you're talking is linchpin. It really is that important and without it, it doesn't mean all the other efforts you're making won't help, but they will absolutely be capped and restricted to how much they can help.

Dr. Tony Ebel (22:14.996)
It is. It's really limited. And that's really become... Guys, I want to just share this story really quick for parents to really illustrate it, just so it really lands. What we find out is most parents, again, because we have access to all these different biomedical and other different interventions. And so the very right, natural, normal parent, when your child faces the struggle and you first get the diagnosis and everything's there, you're just like, I'm going to do everything. And that's actually what you mean. You're to do everything.

Right? You're going to literally add in, you know, you're going to find a will and a way and a time and a schedule and the finances and everything. just, you know, you just throw it all in the crockpot and away we go. Well, I did that as a practitioner. So my story to find this amount of clarity and depth in what it really takes to get results and break through with kids with autism and chronic illness, I did the same thing as a practitioner. When my heart, my son Oliver, my perfect storm kid would come.

three years into practice, but I had this stuff pretty well figured out from serving. So just literally sitting knee to knee with parents and doing what chiropractors do. So I figured out the perfect storm by just shutting up and listening to parents. I didn't listen to the textbooks and schools and research. There's nothing, there wasn't anything in there, right? I had to find it from parents. And then second, when I really went down these roads, I went to the Dan conferences. I went to maps. went to Taka. I went everywhere. I took every training.

Every certification, and my wife always has a love-hate relationship with this story here, Len. Then I took my clinic and I was the very first full-service biomedical, we do everything here, come on in clinic that had ever been built in Chicago. Perhaps one of the ones that had been around, and it sounds nuts, it wasn't that long ago, 15 years ago, but science changes fast. We learn a lot quickly in today's age with information and AI. Here's what happened. By year three, every time I would add a service.

our results would get worse. And I was, literally was so frustrated, so heartbroken, so exasperated. was like, none of this is computing for me. I'm now, we're detoxing, we're chelating, we're binding, we're, we got, I brought in an OT and a PT, you know, and the more services I added, a primitive reflexes, you know, all the, you take your head, do this, 18, you know, and you know, all this stuff. And actually for the first year or two, here's what's crazy. I kind of forgot this part of story. The first year or two, guess what I knew to do?

Dr. Tony Ebel (24:37.934)
Adjust, kind of branding. I was new, right? And so the only thing I knew to do, shit, it worked better than all the other stuff. And so I had this crazy arc that I went through, which is exactly analogous to what I see my incredible parents go through. It's like, I had to go into the stew and do all the things all at once. No necessarily batting order or sequence or foundation. was just, the concept was more is better, right?

And what I had to learn through real life clinical trials and then my own son Oliver was less is more, especially in the early stages. And so you can set this up where you go, okay, what is the most foundational transformative thing I could address first? Well, that's the nervous system. We've got to get rid of this sympathetic dominance, this dysregulation. If we don't, what can the OT do? What can the PT do? What can the binder do?

You can't even get, you put perfect food in, it can't even get assimilated, it can't get absorbed and assimilated. So it's literally, you know, not getting through. And the list, I could go on and on. If you don't have nervous system regulation, I could go through every single one of your interventions that people know to do. And I could say, well, if subluxation and nervous system dysregulation is still there, here's how it will limit intervention A, intervention B, intervention C. And so that's just the science behind this. And I had to learn it, you know, what would you call that? The real life.

Hard Knocks way too. And so I have such empathy and relatability and compassion for parents because I did it in the same sequence as a practitioner.

Len Arcuri (26:11.803)
Yeah, but I think that's why your guidance is extremely valuable because it's the product of so many hours figuring out what works and even more importantly, what doesn't and it's the sequence that's super important. And I know one thing you and I both violently agree on is the key, particularly for a parent, whatever their situation, it's to really do less and not more things, but to do those few things really, really well.

Dr. Tony Ebel (26:22.862)
Peace.

Dr. Tony Ebel (26:39.778)
depth.

Len Arcuri (26:39.837)
And that's where, you look at it like from a Pareto's rule perspective, right? Pareto's law, know, what are the few things that's going to get you the most benefit? It is a powerful strategy to say, I'm going to focus on the nervous system and at least do that early on, especially get that in a good place before all those other inventions, which are phenomenal, can really take hold.

Dr. Tony Ebel (27:03.18)
And I wish more practitioners, you know, I, we've got a big job, I think, brother may have to get this out into the world. And it's not just to parents. I think it's most important, obviously, to get it to parents. But you know, a real, a real part of the process that kind of gets us all here is practitioners don't even know this. You know, I, I then, once I figured this out, you can imagine how God made me, right? I'm not a real quiet fella, or shy or any of the, anything similar to those things. And so I would go to autism one and I would go to all these conferences and I would sit on these panels and I'd be like,

with love, with empathy, with relatability and real life practical experience and science behind me, I would say, hey, other practitioners gather around. Here's a conversation we need to be having with our communities and our patients and our audience. And unfortunately, we're just not all the way there yet, but I do see it coming. You guys have had it, know, from the time I met you, you've understood foundation, sequence.

Beth, know, documenting hope, she gets it better than anybody I've really seen and their network there too. I have a lot of, you know, we wear shirts. What am I wearing today? Expect Miracles shirt. I had look down to see. I'm either wearing a shirt that says Expect Miracles or Hope Dealer. That's my work wardrobe. Good job to have. know, wear t-shirts all day with empowering messages. But, you know, you got to really look around and say, okay, we need to, I've got hope that the professional.

crew will figure this out. And I want to run one more thing to this. Here's one more real linchpin, real catalyst that not a lot of people are talking about, but I hear you talking about it and I know you're going to talk about it even more. And I hear Beth talking about it and the people that I know know their stuff the most talk about this. Disregulation of mom and dad. Exhaustion, overwhelm, sympathetic dominance, feeling stuck and literally neurologically

physiologically being stuck yourself as a parent, because who wouldn't get there when your child is struggling? Medicine, you know, told you all these lies, didn't give you the answers. And, and, you know, the thing with autism and ADHD and sensory and seizures and pandas is they're not, you know, an ear infection that comes when the weather turns and it's a couple of days of being up all night. It's all day, every day, you know? And so neurologically, what we have found to be the other catalyst to get kids better. And it's actually the same thing, but

Dr. Tony Ebel (29:22.698)
after we adjust the child or maybe even better said before, hey mom, hey dad, lie down. Get on the table, come on over, get adjusted, you know, and it's adjustments and it's empowerment and it's education and it's community. And so Len, gotta, I gotta commend you dude. The fact that you speak to that, cause it's also a very essential linchpin, catalyst, cheat code, whatever you want to call it to get kids better. It's a.

It's a foundational step that can't be skipped either. And each of us parents would like to skip it entirely. I was there with Oliver. My nervous system got trashed, destroyed. I was running a practice all by myself. I didn't have associates. Oliver, six weeks in the NICU, was given a 20 % chance of living. If he did, they said 99 % chance of epilepsy and cerebral palsy. And so it buried me. It buried me emotionally and neurologically. So I had to do intensive chiropractic care.

for myself as the patient. And if I hadn't, wouldn't be, know, Oliver wouldn't be all the way out of the storm and I certainly wouldn't be either.

Len Arcuri (30:30.749)
Well, I think those are powerful words to wrap up our conversation. Dr. Tony, I could talk to you for hours, as you know. I think, and if you're listening and you are moved by Dr. Tony, he has a dynamite podcast called the Experience Miracles podcast, which I will include in the show notes, but you can check it out yourself. And Dr. Tony, I definitely look forward to continuing this dialogue. You're welcome on the show anytime. And again, thank you so much for what you do, you and your team.

Dr. Tony Ebel (30:47.714)
Awesome.

Len Arcuri (31:00.079)
And I just really appreciate you spreading your message of hope and empowerment and this opportunity that's in front of parents for you preaching it. I think that's quite a gift for everyone. So thank you so much.

Dr. Tony Ebel (31:13.944)
Thank you for having me, buddy. And yeah, the podcast is there for you guys. The articles are there for you guys. The social media is there for you guys. We have an awesome summit coming up for autism and breaking through that is there too, of the team sent to you guys so they can check that out. Even if it comes out after the recordings will be available. Love it, Len. You guys are world changers and I really, really appreciate being on here. to everybody out there that's listening, remember, parents, you're in the best of ways.

You're the catalyst. You're the change maker to healing. Our job is easy. Your job is a difficult one. And we really work hard at our job to make your job easier. So thank you for that opportunity to do so.