Episode 320 — Virtual Reality Prepares For Real Life
Guest: Vijay Ravindran • Date: August 17, 2026
Episode Overview
Vijay Ravindran believes virtual reality can become far more than entertainment when it's used intentionally to help autistic and neurodivergent individuals practice important life skills. Inspired by his own journey as the father of a son on the autism spectrum, he explains how creating a safe, low-pressure environment can help children build confidence before applying those skills in the real world.
About Vijay Ravindran
Vijay Ravindran is the founder and CEO of Floreo, a virtual reality-based digital therapeutic company developing FDA-regulated software-as-a-medical-device (SaMD) treatments for autism and other neurodevelopmental conditions.
Under his leadership, Floreo has earned FDA Breakthrough Device Designation, completed a pivotal randomized controlled trial demonstrating statistically significant clinical outcomes, and expanded its platform across clinics, schools, and homes while pursuing FDA De Novo clearance.
Prior to founding Floreo, Vijay served as Chief Digital Officer of The Washington Post and previously held senior software engineering and product leadership roles at Amazon, where he helped launch Amazon Prime. Floreo was inspired by his experience as the father of a child on the autism spectrum.
You’ll Discover
Why practicing in a low-pressure environment can build real-world confidence (5:11)
How Floreo keeps parents and therapists actively involved throughout every lesson (13:04)
Why just 20 minutes per week produced meaningful clinical improvements (18:41)
Why children with higher support needs showed the greatest gains in Floreo's clinical trial (25:11)
The encouraging message every autism parent needs to hear about their child's potential (34:32)
Full Transcript
Vijay Ravindran 0:00
My son at the time, who was six, asked to try it out. Anytime he would show interest in something, you kind of go with it. It's such a great thing to see when you're the parent of a of a child on the spectrum to see them have an interest and a new interest, not one that they've already had and possibly fixated on and and been with for a while, and so he spent you know 30 minutes in VR, had had a handful of experiences, and then we observed something amazing. He went down to his playroom and he took out toys and he started showing pretend play abilities, acting out what he had done in the virtual reality environment. It was a aha moment for me, where I felt like I saw something special occur, and it really led to this design of can virtual reality be a new teaching medium for children like him to help them learn social and life skills.
Len Arcuri 0:57
If you're a parent of a child with autism, you are being called to rise with love, courage, and clarity. This journey isn't easy, and most parents aren't equipped, but you can be. This podcast is your invitation to rise higher, because how you navigate matters. I'm Len, and this is Autism Parenting Secrets, where you become the parent your child needs now. Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. Many parents are understandably cautious about technology, and for good reason. Screens are everywhere, devices are everywhere, and now technologies like artificial intelligence and virtual reality are becoming more common than ever. And the key question is, you know what if the virtual reality could actually be used intentionally, you know not just for recreation but as a tool to help a child build important skills in a safe structured environment before applying them in the real world, and that's the topic for today. And today's guest is Vijay Ravindran, and he is the founder and CEO of Florio, and inspired by his own journey with his son, Vijay founded Florio after observing something remarkable following his son's first experience with virtual reality. What started as a personal insight eventually became a platform helping neurodiverse individuals practice social, communication, behavioral, and life skills through immersive learning experiences. So we're going to explore a virtual reality, what it can, what it can't do, and where it might fit into a child's development, and how parents can think critically about both the opportunities and the trade-offs. So the secret this week is: virtual reality prepares for real life. Welcome, Vijay, to the show.
Vijay Ravindran 2:43
Thank you for having me.
Len Arcuri 2:44
Great. Well, it's a topic that I'm excited to talk about because we have not covered this, and I think as I shared with you before, a lot of the episodes that I have about technology are how to minimize it and kind of use it in a safer way because it's here to stay and it's so powerful. But it can actually be a source of dysregulation, and then there definitely are challenges there. But so I love the idea of exploring how this amazing technology can really be used. And and again, I didn't see it initially, but now I can really appreciate how virtual reality might help with learning. So I'm excited to hear you talk about your journey, and then what you're learning as you're trying to bring this to fruition.
Vijay Ravindran 3:25
This story with Florio really starts with my son, who's on the autism spectrum, and my experience as a parent. Like many children who are diagnosed at an early age on the autism spectrum, he's been through 1000s of hours of therapy to help him with his social and communication needs. You know, his mom and I have joked we've thrown the kitchen sink to try to figure out how to unlock his full potential, and and you know I think we've benefited from the fact that he's a very resilient, positive kid. And the story with Florio starts from this very personal insight where I, as a technologist, having worked in the tech industry for many years, and was at Amazon in the early days, was experimenting with early virtual reality technology 10 years ago, and I had a developer kit for a new VR headset that wasn't on the market yet, and was trying it out, and you know, my son at the time, who was six, asked to try it out. Anytime he, like many parents, anytime he would show interest in something, you kind of go with it. It's such a great thing to see when you're the parent of a of a child on the spectrum to see them have an interest and a new interest, not one that they've already had and possibly fixated on and been with for a while, and so he spent you know 30 minutes in VR, had had a handful of experiences, and then we observed something amazing. He went down to his playroom and he took out toys and he started showing pretend play abilities. Out what he had done in the virtual reality environment. It was a aha moment for me where I felt like I saw something special occur, and it really led to this design of can virtual reality be a new teaching medium for children like him to help them learn social and life skills?
Len Arcuri 5:20
No, it makes sense because it's easy to see how virtual reality can be pleasurable entertainment, and and you know my son and I just recently experienced you know as if we were in ancient Egypt through a VR experience at at a local at a local place. So you can see how from an entertainment perspective, it's you know very very engaging, but in terms of a teaching modality, again, it's it's it's ironic because especially for for social skills, the the kind of general advice is stay away from technology and connect in real per you know in in real life with real people. But the reality is, I think connecting with real people for our kids. I know for my son, maybe for your son, can be scary. It can it can be it can be triggering. So I can kind of see a concept where virtual reality might actually be a kind of a safer environment for them to to practice those skills. Would you agree with that?
Vijay Ravindran 6:15
Yeah, I think you hit on many of the themes that drove the insight into developing Florio, the first is that creating a repeatable practice environment lowers the stakes, so that there's not the kind of pressure that's on our children when they're in the real world. In the real world, they might have one interaction with a child, and if it doesn't go in an expected way for that other child, they've lost the ability to then connect with that child and possibly make an eventual friendship or have a good play experience, and and so creating an environment where there's low stakes, where there's no pressure to get it right the first time, where you can practice longer to develop the skill before you go out to the real world has a lot of benefits, and that really combines with two other factors that I think make Flory really powerful. The second is that in these immersive environments, we can also simplify the environment and reduce the amount of noise or distractions or complexity of the real world. So simple, cartoony graphics can actually help the child focus on the task at hand, as far as trying to learn the particular skill or have the particular interaction experience that we're hoping to build skills around, and then you know the the second thing is that creating engagement and having something that's fun and enjoyable can lead to more you know desire to actually do the lesson and experience the outcome. And I think many of our kids are in therapy programs that are very grinding and grueling and not fun, and and mixing in something that's actually engaging and enjoyable while still having an outcome goal that is positive and beneficial is really powerful.
Len Arcuri 8:24
Yeah, no, you're tapping into okay. How do you help a child be motivated to want to learn, to want to grow? And again, as good as the practitioners might be or the approaches, sometimes that environment you know does feel unsettling. There may be a lot of sensory issues as well, so the idea of being able to produce an environment that that is again something that's received as something that's safer for the for the child makes makes a lot of sense, and and I guess in terms of the experience, just to give listeners a better idea, how does it work with what does the child experience. You mentioned cartoon characters, and and my son's 19. He would love to see cartoon characters still. So tell me a little bit more more about what the child experience is like.
Vijay Ravindran 9:10
Yeah. So you know, the Florio system today is a growing catalog of clinically designed immersive lessons to build a wide variety of social life and independent skills, and so in in the Florio system, we have lessons for developing, you know, the ability to interpret nonverbal gestures or take turns in a game. You know those early early play skills and conversational interaction skills, and those tend to then have animation styles that are engaging for that age range and kind of developmental level that that the person might be at. and And the catalog has grown over these over these years, and so it also has expanded. Into things that are beneficial for older and older kids. So it started with, you know, a family early on when I was demonstrating. An African American family came to our table, expressed concerns that you know this is all great, but what I'm really scared about is my son who's 12 walking in the neighborhood and possibly being confronted by the police and not doing the right thing or behaving in an unexpected way and how dangerous that could be. So that led to the development of lessons around law enforcement encounters, where we partnered with the Philadelphia Police Department to design lessons that could be safe, teach safe skills for for children when they're in when the community crossing the street is a great example because it's also something that if you get wrong in the real world it can be catastrophic and so being able to teach practice and develop confidence is important there and the catalogs expanded into you know early employment skills soft skills like working in teams at a grocery store or working behind the register at a movie theater, putting your groceries away at home-you know things that are going through TSA lines. So, really trying to expand out into what is now reaching into kids that are either 18 to 21 in transitional services in a school district as they move out of the educational system, skills that could be beneficial for college access and being able to help them there, or employment skills because they might be heading to jobs that are available to them if they can close a little bit of a skills gap.
Len Arcuri 11:36
That's really impressive, and I guess I'm thinking about: is there a sweet spot in terms of age range for a child who might benefit? Because you started with you know kind of young adults, and I know I'm sure it's got applications for a younger child as well. There may be an age that's too young. So, so talk a little bit about the age range.
Vijay Ravindran 11:55
Yeah. So the age minimum is four years old for our current product. The main barrier for entry is the fit of the virtual reality headset and the weight of that headset. Often, our community children are don't necessarily have that great neck strength yet at three, three and a half to hold up a VR headset. We see starting at four that most kids can, and you know the sweet spot, you know, for the product today is really four and above. It's a wide range. We we work with a lot of different organizations, from you know applied behavioral analysis style clinics that are delivering therapy to a younger cohort, to school districts that are working from elementary to middle, all the way into high school and transition into adult services. So it's it's a wide range. You know, I think a big thing we have going on right now is that we have taken a subset of our curriculum focused on social communication skills, and we're in the process of we're under review with the FDA on a a therapeutic version of our system that could could also you know qualify for reimbursement and be more wide widely available and and the age range for the for the large study we conducted was between five and 18 years old.
Len Arcuri 13:25
Got it, got it. And in terms of the applications you talked about, ABA, you know, which obviously is a kind of on most parents' radar early on, it's recommended. So with that, my guess is there's applications for behavioral therapy, speech therapy, you know, probably a variety of the therapies. There's an application for a program that might be available. Let's say for behavioral therapy, do you get the ability to choose who the therapist is that you're working with? Because kind of like with Siri, sometimes a a voice doesn't work, and you'd rather have something else. It's so true.
Vijay Ravindran 14:02
This is an important facet of the Florio system, which is that from the beginning we value the adult that's working with the child. We believe that there are unique insights, whether it's a parent or a therapist or a teacher, that really lens towards a differentiated learning experience, and so the way the Florio system works is that while the child or adult is in virtual reality receiving therapeutic content or training content in in different areas, a supervising adult is following along using a browser-based coaching application, so they can choose which lessons they are able to see what the child or learner is seeing in VR. They're able to provide helpful feedback as they're traversing whatever the interaction is in the immersive world. They're also able to puppeteer characters because sometimes the lessons involve engaging other. Kids and or raising a hand in the classroom, and so that adult is able to verify that they did raise their hand as a teacher would expect. And the next step is for the teacher to call on them and for them to practice delivering an answer in the classroom, or to not be called on and practice the ability to sit on your hands and not blurt out the answer, and so that companion application is really key. And the design from Florio has always been one that's chaperoned and and allows that adult to be able to engage with the child as they're going through this immersive experience. We don't Florio is very intentionally designed not to be a babysitter. It's not something that you put on the child and walk away from them while you do something else. Someone is with them, guiding that learning experience and helping them get through it, making important decisions on whether they're ready for that next lesson or whether they need to do it again, and in the case of therapists, often blending Florio with other things they're doing in a therapy session.
Len Arcuri 16:10
I appreciate you clarifying that. Yeah, this is not in place of anything, right? This is augmentative in the key human interactions. Whoever your child might be working with, those people are key, and again, this this can help accelerate. But but within the programs that are available, my guess is there's probably a pretty deep inventory now. That if you you know to find the right you know approach, the right character, whatever that your child might receive better, that there's there's got to be some personalization that's that's enabled with these programs, correct?
Vijay Ravindran 16:45
Yeah, yeah. So this is an area we've made a big investment, and we have over 200 lessons in the Florio catalog today. So it can be quite daunting for any one therapist or parent or teacher to say, okay, for this kid, what's the right set of lessons based on where they are right now, what the treatment goals might be if it's a therapy setting, what the IEP goals might be if it's in the school setting, what's on the mind of the parent if it's in the parent setting, and so here we we've built a really powerful capability that leverages AI I think in a really constructive way where you can upload snippets from a neuropsych, or the IEP plan, or the challenges you're seeing, or goals you have about the the learner, and the Florio AI will say, "Well, these are the lessons that you know could be the most applicable to what you're trying to do. It's based off of data of you know we have years and years and hundreds of 1000s of therapy lesson experiences now from Florio customers that have informed that AI on which things could be beneficial based on the developmental level of the child, and and then we give the control back to that supervising adult. Here's the suggestions. Now you can tailor it, edit it, not use it at all if you don't think it's a good good set of recommendations. But we do see it as a way of trying to help navigate the fact that there's lots of lessons and no no one's going to be able to keep track of everything. And in the case of therapists or teachers, they're working with a dozen kids, and so they have to do that on an ongoing basis. And so we've we've built tools to really try to make that possible, and also then allow them to keep track of all the new lessons we're working on.
Len Arcuri 18:36
No, I love the use of AI in a smart way to figure out okay which of the programs makes the most sense based on where your child is, how they're presenting, and my guess is over time, eventually the programs will probably be fully customizable, right? In terms of like what, so so I can see where this will likely go. No, I think it's it's a powerful or again augmented way of leveraging technology in a super positive way, and again, if anyone's listening concerned about technology, and I'm the first one about, hey, we got to limit it. You know, I guess the key is from a child's perspective. If they're using this, we're talking about very intentional use, limited use. It's not as if the child's got the headset and you know that it's unlimited in terms of how much they're they're exposed to the headset. Can you talk a little bit about what best practices are?
Vijay Ravindran 19:28
Yeah, I mean, I'll share something that I think surprises a lot of people when therapists or and parents when I share is that you can make a difference in your child's trajectory with our technology. Having the child be in VR for as little as 10 minutes a session. So these lessons are short; they're bite-sized, but the power immersive VR can translate very quickly. And so, in the FDA pivotal trial that we conducted, you know, with the full placebo control experience. Full randomization, so all of the bells and whistles of a high-quality FDA trial. You know, we showed the effect of the Florio treatment in 10 minutes per session, twice a week over 12 weeks. And when you think of the hours and hours of therapy that children receiving things like ABA receive on a per week basis. 20 minutes a week is a very small drop in the bucket to what children receive, and yet what was shown in the trial. And you know, it's up to us to now publish academically the results of the trial and work our way through this FDA process. But what is shown is that there's gains available when when our technology is utilized, and so you know in the debates around technology exposure and screen time, you know Florio is playing a role that is I think I love your word use of the word intentional. It's absolutely intentional, but it's also limited, and it's it's focused on maximizing those outcomes. So the idea is that it is in the clinical sense what's called an injunctive. So it's utilized in addition to what what the child is receiving in the parent setting. It's a supplement. So you know I think you know parents are able to utilize it because they have a lot of time with their kids, where they could be doing constructive things. It's also fun for parents to engage and see improvements firsthand. I know what it was like when I was taking my son to ABA. It's a black box. You leave them there. It's hard to understand how they're making progress in Florio, you know the the lessons can also give you the witnessing of the progression the child makes, which is very powerful for the parent's motivation.
Len Arcuri 21:52
As you're talking, it's funny because we we talk about technology now, like tech, AI, virtual reality. But you know, 17 years ago, my wife and I used technology for my son. It was a TV, you know, a TV with videos that were helping to teach the behavior, right? To model the behavior that we wanted my son to learn. So you know, you're always going to leverage the available technology. The key is, can you do it? You
Vijay Ravindran 22:16
grab whatever you can as a parent, right? Like, you know, it's parents are Swiss Army knives of trying to figure out how to allow their child to get to their full potential and and how to make their way through the world. And you know, it's I think for parents in situations like you and I, you know, they're they're heroes trying to you know MacGyver their way through the the the ways to best help their child and and so we're a tool and we want to be picked up and used. Parents and therapists using it will know best on how much to use it and to what degree, and over time, as we traverse the FDA process for the the approved version of Florio that would be more medical grade, that there'll also be you know another set of instructions that have the stamp of rigorous trialing behind it.
Len Arcuri 23:22
Great. Well, going back to the FDA study and what you mentioned earlier, so it's pretty impressive that you could see efficacy. You demonstrate with just 20 minutes a week. So again, it's not like it's a it's a lengthy amount of time every day. Is there any kind of cap that you would recommend on a daily use, or is is there is there a ceiling?
Vijay Ravindran 23:45
You know, in general, we defer to the to the wisdom of the parent and the therapist or teacher using the technology. With with it, you know, I wouldn't put someone in VR for you know for more than like 45 minutes in one sitting. It really depends on reading the child and their comfort level. What we see on average from our existing customers using the product that's on market, which is distinct from the version that's going through the FDA in in the course, the basically the curriculum, is that on average children spend about 25 minutes in VR a session. So if you're thinking of like a one-hour therapy session and we're being incorporated for half the time, often children are in multiple-hour sessions if they're doing AVA. So it's even a smaller fraction. So there's a lot of hey, let's work on the skill in VR. Hey, let's go outside of VR and work on it outside of VR and see how you're able to generalize. Okay, we've made some progress. Let's go back in VR for a bit. Let's work on this other thing.
Len Arcuri 24:45
It's appealing in so many different ways, and I think a lot of what we talk about on this particular podcast is really helping parents to get to the root cause of whatever it is that might be holding their child back. So when I think about this particular opportunity. Right, it comes down to hey, what's at the root of why perhaps your child isn't learning or or stab or knowing what to do socially, and if you think about what those root causes might be, it seems like this really does address some potential ones like just the environment of the environment that they may be in a therapy session, whether it's the lighting, the people, the noise, the the idea that you can kind of control a lot of that and maybe present an environment that's more conducive to learning is really really powerful.
Vijay Ravindran 25:32
Yeah, and it shows. You know, one of the things that I'm really proud about the FDA trial, but I believe this to be true for this approach in general, is that in the trial we demonstrated that the Florio treatment did better the more severe the child's autism symptoms presented, and so you know, and the ways that you measure support levels for autism or severity of symptom presentation, you know, there's different ways to do it as far as the clinician administered assessment, parents observed experience, but by both the parents' observations who were blinded in the study, so they didn't know if they were in a control group or the treatment arm, and from the independent clinicians, the Florio treatment was more effective the more severe or high support the child was, and that I think is reflective of the fact that this environment, because it is quieted down, less distracting, simplified for the core skill that you're trying to work on, I think for the children that might be more dysregulated in general, is it's particularly helpful to pull them out of a noisy environment.
Len Arcuri 26:52
Interesting, yeah. No, that it sounds counterintuitive when you first mention it, but okay, I can see where perhaps that that does make a lot of sense. And again, it just might be that a child is more likely to be distracted or again just dysregulated, as you said. So again, if you can control that with an experience that's enjoyable, right? Because all our all these kids they want technology, and you know whether it's a tablet, whether it's a VR set looks cool, they'd rather be doing that than sitting at a desk, you know, just going back and forth with what they might perceive as pressure to answer to engage. So it does seem like something that can make the overall experience for a child to add something that's a bit more fun, a bit less stressed, and again, that's tied directly to the goals you're you're trying to to help your child with seemed like a win win.
Vijay Ravindran 27:46
Absolutely, and it's to win for the parent if the child is make able to make advances in their communication skills and their social skills. That also showed up in the study in a really interesting way. So one of the additional assessments that the parents fill under blinding filled out was a an assessment called the Child Family Quality of Life Survey, and there were gains made on the treatment arm that showed statistical significance with the results on the control arm, and so you know basically the parents were feeling that their quality of life was improved, and you'll appreciate this. And it's important to me. They specifically called out spousal relationships as improving. You know, which makes sense as a parent that my child is making progress. Spouses are going to get along better because so much pressure is on autism parents, especially in those first few years of post diagnosis and intensive intervention.
Len Arcuri 28:43
No doubt, 100% I agree with that statement. And as you're talking, though, in terms of that quality of life, that that leads me to my my next question with respect to the the headset itself. I know we're fully focusing on the child, but my guess is that headset can be leveraged by the parent as well, even if it's only to help them themselves get less, you know, dysregulated. Right. So I'm guessing there's there's programs for the parent as well. Is that is that correct?
Vijay Ravindran 29:13
That's in the roadmap. So today we do have trainings for nurses and doctors working with neurodiverse children in hospitals. We are about we are releasing trainings for that ABA clinics can use for behavioral technicians to become more acclimated. The natural next thing that we want to work on is parent training in this modality. I think separately, once you have a virtual reality headset, if you get one of the commercial ones, like the Meta Quest headset, there are also incredible applications for things like meditation and exercise for the parents to utilize. So you can justify the toy for your kid because you're trying to use it in this very productive, noble way, and then separately. You know, you could be using it for things that help with your own wellness, or you could be playing shoot 'em up games and doing other things that are entertaining. You know, what you do in your free time is up to you,
Len Arcuri 30:09
right? Well, no, good to know that that's on the roadmap because again, I think of parents going to make an investment in something for their child, right? And I know all of us parents were fully focused on our kids, but if there's something that ultimately can be beneficial for us as well as we're on this journey. That that's good to know that that's that that will come into fruition down the road. In terms of what the process is like, to just explain that parents interested in wanting to learn more, or the device is something that they purchase, and how does that work, and how does training work? If you can talk about that roadmap, that would be great.
Vijay Ravindran 30:43
Absolutely, we have a team ready to help any parent that is interested in this technology. Just come visit FlorioVR.com and fill out an interest form. There's a couple of different ways to engage with us. One is learn about it, introduce your therapist or the educators that are working with your child bring it up as part of an IEP discussion with the team at the school. Like those are kind of traditional ways that you can bring up new solutions. The Floria system is available for any parent to access directly at home. There's there's really two ways to to do that. If you have an iPhone, you can buy a plastic headset. And for those who see video, I'm holding one of these plastic headsets in the hands. They're very inexpensive on Amazon and others, and they hold the iPhone inside of it. The phone goes into a 3D mode where you can look through the lenses of the goggles and see and experience simplified virtual reality, and our system works great under that. And for younger kids, we recommend this configuration. The Meta Quest headsets are consumer grade headsets that are really popular in the U.S. and can be in the Florio system works with that as well. And we can help you also with accessing waiver or self-directed funding services. So you know we can produce the documentation for HSA FSA. For in many states, there are waivers where you have technology budgets for things like AAC devices, and so depending on the state, depending on the program, Florio can fit into those, and the whole cost of the system can be covered through that means. So we're ready to work with any any family that's interested because there's a lot of different access paths. Once our Florio RX product is approved by the FDA and on the market, we'll be working towards you know new forms of reimbursement that can cover the RX product. That's why we're going through this process with the FDA. It's a three-year, multi-million-dollar process that is intended to create a version of Florio that is accessible for everyone through the ways that you get all of your other healthcare.
Len Arcuri 32:58
Yeah, I'm sure it's an arduous process, but intentionally so, right? It's it needs to be to bring something to to market which is safe, thought through, and and great that there's options now where, depending on your state, that you might be able to to to get some coverage. Because I know that's always the next question for parents: is okay, is this covered in some way? So I guess the answer is now, perhaps in some ways, and over time, much more likely.
Vijay Ravindran 33:25
That's right.
Len Arcuri 33:26
Which is why the studies are key.
Vijay Ravindran 33:27
That's right. Clinical efficacy is important, both because we don't want to waste the time of the family or the child. That's of course paramount. There's a lot of things that are offered. I know, as an autism parent, I marketed all sorts of poorly validated solutions through social media and other channels. So we're different. We're you know this is our fifth randomized control trial showing the efficacy of the product. We're going through you know a gold standard review process for the RX product with the FDA. The goal is a is a product that everyone can believe in as being worth their time and energy, with results that are worth the child's time.
Len Arcuri 34:07
Great, yeah, no. So parents listening, yeah, this is definitely something that's available now. You can you can look at it with as with everything. There's trade offs, so you know understand you know what your child's needs are. See how this might fit in in terms of something that could be additive to what you might be already doing, maybe to help the things you're doing right now have more of an impact. So, yeah, Vijay, I appreciate you sharing all this. Any final message you'd like to leave our listeners with?
Vijay Ravindran 34:32
I'll share the best piece of advice I got from my high school friend who had been on the journey that you and I have been on, and he was about 10 years ahead of me because he had had kids earlier, which was that, you know, the child continues to develop. It might be slower. It might be in a different way than we all thought, you know, when we first had kids. But the potential of the child to. Grow in ways that surprise and delight us is there, and you know I think we're trying to do our small part to help unlock that. But I think you know for parents like like us, you know, just don't stop believing that there's you know incredible progress in front of you.
Len Arcuri 35:15
Yeah, absolutely, no doubt. And again, with that, if you can use existing technology to accelerate that and understand the trade-offs. You know that that's that could be a real powerful thing to to add into all the other things that you might be doing now. So again, I really appreciate you taking the time. Good luck with the the trials and the FDA approval. And wishing you and Floria the very best. Thank you so much for having me. Your child needs you running on all cylinders now, and the fastest way to rise is with personalized one-on-one support. Get started today. Go to elevatehowyounavigate.com
