Episode 285 — Wireless Safety Starts at Home

Guest: Cece Doucette • Date: December 11, 2025

Episode Overview

Many parents don’t realize how much wireless exposure affects their child’s nervous system — especially sensitive kids. Today’s guest, Cece Doucette, breaks down the science and demystifies what families can do right now to dramatically reduce their EMF burden. She offers practical, empowering steps that make a powerful difference at home.

About Cece Doucette

Cece Doucette is the Director of Massachusetts for Safe Technology and an advisor to schools, municipalities, medical professionals, and industry leaders on wireless safety practices. She is also a frequent speaker and collaborator with Children’s Health Defense. Cece has helped introduce best-practice policies for safer technology use, supported legislation, and collaborated on educational initiatives including the award-winning film Generation Zapped.

Learn more at:
https://MA4SafeTech.org

You’ll Discover

• Why Wireless Exposure Overwhelms Sensitive Kids Quickly (1:23)

• What A Meter Instantly Shows About Your Child’s Environment (13:53)

• What To Ask Your Local Library To Do (14:40)

• Practical Tweaks To Dramatically Reduce Exposure in Your Home (18:00)

• Why Protecting Sleep From Wireless Signals Makes Such a Big Impact (24:55)

• Why Smart Meters, Cars, and Earbuds Can Be Major Hidden Sources (30:50)

• Why A Nightly Digital Detox Can Unlock New Breakthroughs (40:40)

Referenced in This Episode

• 704nomore.org

• The Bioinitiative Report

• Zapped: Why Your Cell Phone Shouldn't Be Your Alarm Clock and 1,268 Ways to Outsmart the Hazards of Electronic Pollution by Ann Louise Gittleman

• Film: Generation Zapped

• APS Episode 145: TECH Is The Great DYSREGULATOR with Peter Sullivan

• APS Episode 23: Autism Is NOT Hardwired with Dr. Martha Herbert

• Safe and Sound Pro II RF Meter — Safe Living Technologies

• APS Episode 101: Make The Invisible VISIBLE with Rob Metzinger

• APS Episode 56: Simple Tech Changes Make Summer Travel Safer with Mary Anne Tierney

• Safe Tech NC

• The EMF Medical Conference 2021

• Environmental Health Trust

• Safer Screentime Course

Full Transcript

Len Arcuri (00:01.678)

Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets. Today we're taking a closer look at one of the most overlooked environmental stressors affecting our kids, wireless technology. From Wi-Fi to Bluetooth to cell phones, these exposures are absolutely everywhere. And for sensitive kids, they can make a real difference.

So I'm joined today by Cece Doucette. She's the director of Massachusetts for Safe Technology and a frequent speaker and collaborator with Children's Health Defense. She's been a leading voice in helping schools, towns, and families understand the science and to make practical, safer choices. Her work is empowering and incredibly timely. The secret this week is wireless safety starts at home. Welcome Cece.

Cece Doucette (00:56.741)

Thank you so much, Len. It's an honor to be with you and your listeners today.

Len Arcuri (01:01.048)

Well, is all mine and I'm excited for everyone to be able to hear your voice. I know we saw each other a couple of weeks ago at the Children's Health Defense Conference. And I know there you were part of the presentations and part of the messaging there. So maybe we start there with why were you at that conference and what was the key message you really wanted to convey there?

Cece Doucette (01:23.525)

Thank you, I was honored to moderate the wireless radiation panel and the good folks at Children's Health Defense led by attorney Miriam Eckenfels and Scott McCullough have launched a new project called 704 No More. And 704 is the section of the Telecommunications Act from 1996. We won't get too geeky on you here, but that's the section.

that has led our local towns to believe we don't have a say as to where cell towers get installed. So what Children's Health Defense is doing is launching a new campaign called 704 No More. And they are mobilizing to come up with case studies and to come up with angles to go to the courts with to say, look, the FCC really is not a health agency. They should not be the ones determining.

if or where a cell tower can go in our community. So we need to restore local control. And so that is at the community level. So for anybody who wants, they can go out to 704-KnowMore. I think it's .org and learn more about that. But the things that we do have control over, think are well worth spending the next few minutes talking about because I didn't know anything about wireless radiation. And in fact, it turns out

I was really on the wrong side of the fence with this. I'm in a small town in Ashland, Massachusetts, and we were starting to hear about this 21st century classroom when my daughters were in school. They're now 27 and 30. But when they were little, we're a little small town that doesn't have money. I mean, we were rubbing our nickels together just to get the basic materials in our classrooms.

So good to be parents, we jumped in and started fundraising and we got wireless infrastructure and we got iPads and smart book, smart boards and Chromebooks. you know, all what we thought was going to give our kids a leg up in our technological world. And then one night at book group, my girlfriend, Wendy, who's an electrical engineer, she told us she was reading a book called Zapped by Anne Louise Gittleman. And she started sharing with us.

Cece Doucette (03:44.453)

that there's something wrong with wireless. You know, it was book group. That wasn't the book our group was reading. So I just made a mental note of it and kind of filed it away. But then not long after that, it crossed my desk that the American Academy of Environmental Medicine in 2012 had put out a position statement to school school superintendent saying, please don't let wireless into your schools. I was like, wow, what is this? So.

I'm a technical and professional writer by trade, and I just thought, hmm, is there any science behind this? And I was just astounded, Lynn, you don't even have to look far. You just need to know to look. And I found literally thousands of peer-reviewed studies showing this man-made radio frequency, non-ionizing, non-thermal, low-level radiation is doing extensive harm.

And back then there was an incredible document available called the Bioinitiative Report. And it summarized many of the studies from around the world. And so I started looking through the Bioinitiative Report and wow, you just look at the table of contents and they're talking about cancers and infertility and neurotoxicity. And Dr. Martha Herbert, who many of your listeners may already know Dr. Herbert, she's just so incredible.

And how nice was it to put our arms around her at the CHD conference and give her a big hug and reconnect with her there. But with her documenting hope and what she put in the bio initiative report, I was able to read through that and go, wow, we have really got to get a handle on these environmental exposures. So I'm so very grateful for all the doctors and scientists. And when I finally wrapped my head around this, I went to my schools.

Len Arcuri (05:11.416)

Sure.

Cece Doucette (05:41.029)

And I thought I would raise my hand and say, hey folks, we have a problem here. And I thought they would clear the building like we do if there's a gas leak in the science lab or something, right? But I got back crickets. And so I kept digging and I found that the French National Library in 2008 took wireless out because of the health concerns. I saw that schools in Italy and Belgium and Israel were already taking wireless out of the classroom.

So I'm like, wow, you know, everyone's going to love this. I'm going to share it. We're going to fix it. But boy, was I mistaken. I sadly discovered that most of our public servants are not public leaders. They seem to be enmeshed in systems that keep them in a silo that they can't often step outside of it without fear of retribution to their jobs. Right. So it's really a rock and a hard place.

But we did manage to have these conversations with my children's schools and Ashland Public Schools became the first in the nation to even post a sign in our classrooms with best practices for mobile devices that says turn these devices off when not in use, turn Wi-Fi on only when needed. So don't leave these laptop carts and tablets now just sitting there pulsing away and always use the device.

on a solid surface and keep your distance from something that's radiating. So I think what got my schools to take action on this was when we brought up the legal aspects of this. Because who would know that in the legal section of your device, there is a disclaimer in there saying keep it away from you. And nobody's ever read that. So real quick for anybody listening who's not driving in your car.

Len Arcuri (07:30.594)

Yep.

Cece Doucette (07:36.579)

But if you have an iPhone, for example, you can go right into the settings. From settings, go down just a little bit and hit general, and then scroll down to the bottom and you'll see legal and regulatory. Go on to the next screen and about four down from the top, you see RF exposure. That's the radio frequency radiation. Sometimes it's called wireless radiation. Sometimes it's called EMFs or electromagnetic fields.

But it's really all this man-made radiation. And at the bottom of the first big paragraph, they say, we tested this at a distance from the body. What they're not telling you, though, is for all these many services for convenience that they've given us, there's a separate antenna mounted in that device. So you've got a separate antenna for cellular and data, for Bluetooth, for Wi-Fi, for hotspot, for locator, for 5G, and any other fun little

doodads they've given us. And each one of those is separately pulsing microwave radiation to send and receive the data. So you go down a little further in their disclaimer and it says to reduce your exposure, basically once you know, don't touch something that's radiating. It's a really bad idea. They say to reduce your exposure, use a hands-free option like the speakerphone, which is a good first start, or the headsets.

Well, we want to be very careful, especially those earbuds, because you're literally putting a microwave transmitter on both sides of your brain. So it's talking through your brain with microwaves, and then it's connecting to your device that maybe you shoved in your bra or your suit pocket or your shirt pocket or your yoga pants, waistband or your back pocket. And by the way, we're now seeing colon and rectal cancers doubling and quadrupling, even among the young and breast cancers.

for men and women. And we see hand cancers. We see a spiked increase in glioblastomas, which are the very highly deadly brain tumors that used to be unheard of years ago. So glioblastomas, acoustic neuromas, thyroid cancers, we're literally microwaving ourselves and it's invisible and it's cumulative over time. So you might not feel it today, but tonight might be the tipping point.

Len Arcuri (09:48.462)

Yep.

Cece Doucette (10:04.067)

Right? Where your body's just raising the red flag going, dude, I can't do this anymore. And I know Dr. Martha Herbert talks about that. There's an award-winning film called Generation Zapped that is, it was released in 2018, but it's still, I think, one of the best ways to meaningfully open this conversation. So have a potluck supper, invite your friends over, invite the adolescents, right?

Len Arcuri (10:24.974)

Yep.

Cece Doucette (10:33.259)

invite the parents of the kids that your kids hang out with, break bread together, everyone brings a dish, they feel like they're part of something, and then watch Generation Zap together. And a little bit of my work with the schools was featured in there. And then Dr. Martha Herbert was featured in there. And she talks about that tipping point, right? Where, as you know, as a dad of a child on the spectrum,

Len Arcuri (10:54.263)

Right.

Cece Doucette (10:59.449)

There are so many environmental factors. And because this one is invisible, it's really easy to just go, meh, I'll deal with that later.

Len Arcuri (11:08.63)

Yeah, it might be hard for people to hear all this because again, there's so many things to be worried about and this is yet another one. But with more awareness, I mean, there are so many options you have in terms of what you can do to create a more helpful environment. Now you mentioned Generations app. Yeah, I think that movie is still incredibly relevant. It's freely available on YouTube. So I'll include a link in the show notes.

Cece Doucette (11:20.293)

Yeah.

Cece Doucette (11:32.953)

Yeah, and our public libraries now have it in their streaming services on Canopy and Hoopla. So that makes it easy to actually open this conversation with your library and say, hey, why don't we do a screening of this film for the community at our library, right? And then maybe ask your library to get a radio frequency radiation detection meter. So some of you may know that we have an EMF or electromagnetic fields medical conference.

Len Arcuri (11:38.264)

Perfect. Perfect.

Cece Doucette (12:01.891)

that was available for a couple of years for 24.5 continuing medical education credits, plus the CEs for nurses. Now that the accreditation period has ended, Elizabeth Kelly, who's the executive director of the conference, has put the entire conference online at no cost because there's still a major gap in that when you go to talk to your doctor about wireless being a component of why a child might be on the autism spectrum,

a lot of the doctors in completely in the dark, but they can go to the EMF, EMFMC2021.com. So the EMF Medical Conference 2021. And you as a parent can go listen to the world's leading experts in science, medicine, law, policy. And I was brought in to talk about actions that we've done.

in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. But all that professional training is right there. You could schedule 20 minutes on your calendar. You could schedule an hour panel, all different lengths. And then I can give you the link to put in the show notes. I helped Libby do a document that says what each one of the lectures are, how long each one is, who it's presented by, and then a direct link to Vimeo or YouTube.

We have everything that we need. But what I was going to say is that the Safe and Sound Pro2 radio frequency detection meter, which Len, I think you have one of these. This was recommended at the EMF Medical Conference. It's third party certified. It's highly calibrated. It's about $400 with safe living technologies. And these are engineers who are very familiar with this issue.

Len Arcuri (13:36.877)

I do.

Cece Doucette (13:53.729)

And they teach in the Building Biology Institute as well to train, to certify building biologists to become electromagnetic radiation specialists. But this meter is something that all of us can go to our libraries today and say, hey, we recognize that a lot of people aren't coming to the library anymore because they're not necessarily reading books. They may be accessing their entertainment on their devices.

So libraries are reinventing themselves and most of them have established a library of things collection. So like my daughter's been waiting for a power washer from her library. You can get a metal detector at some libraries. You can take out board games and tech stuff. One of the libraries next to us already has an air quality meter. So it's not a stretch to ask to put a radio frequency detection meter on loan. And it's a $400 meter. Somebody else

took out like a hundred dollar meter that their library had and we put them side by side and the lesser meter was missing some of the signals. So it's really worth it if you can. If your library says, gee, 400 is more than we have budget for right now, go to the Environmental Health Trust, EHT or EHTrust.org and they have a page where they have made an arrangement with safe living technologies.

Len Arcuri (15:01.687)

Yeah.

Cece Doucette (15:20.653)

And they have a grant fund. So Safe Living Technologies is giving them a discount. And on top of that, they have a grant fund that will bring the price down to less than half. So if your librarian wants to contact them, it can't be you and me. It's got to be the librarian who contacts them. When there's a will, there's a way. And then to have that tool in your community, if you can't afford to buy one for yourself, that's amazing. I became the first in the nation to put one of these.

on loan in my library back in 2016. And it was a hard-won fight because nobody had heard about this. So it took me three grant cycles in my town to get our Board of Select Persons, which is like our city council, to fund this. And they said, well, well, I wanted one for the library and I wanted one for the schools. And this was all so new to everybody, but they listened to the science and they were still just nervous about it.

we'll grant you $400 to buy one for the library if the library agrees to take it into circulation. So then I had to go and meet with the library trustees and there were five of them and I brought the science and I brought the medical recommendations and I had my own meter and I showed them. And there was one gentleman sitting there with his arms crossed the whole time and you could see that he just like had hogwash written all over his forehead.

Another one said, well, I really want to take that home and see what's going on at my house. And then a third said, well, regardless of how we feel personally as a library, we are a conduit of information in the community. So let's take a vote. And they voted four to one to put one of these radio frequency detection meters on loan. So that's how back in 2016, we became the first. And others have heard me say that and they're like, well, I love that idea. So now.

You know, there's more than a half a dozen libraries in Massachusetts that have them. And now it's going off around the country too. So little things that we can all do to help.

Len Arcuri (17:21.655)

It's.

Yeah. Yeah. No, and you covered a lot of really key concepts there. And yes, with meters, mean, the only way you'll ever really take action is if you are able to measure what's going on. And yes, the more you invest, usually you get a higher quality product and that Safe and Sound Pro 2 is a great device. And actually there'll be a lot of links in the show notes. So the episode with Rob Metzinger from Safe Living Technologies will be in there. C.C. mentioned Dr. Martha Herbert.

She's been on the podcast and her episode is a very powerful one called Autism is Not Hardwired and Peter Sullivan who produced the Generations App documentary, he's been on several times. So all of that will be in the show notes. And I think Cece, as you're talking about, you know, trying to convince schools and also as this, you know, we're trying to reach parents to be aware and take action. You're right when you started off saying that if you just look, it's easy to find.

all the studies and the science that is out there. And I think a big root cause that keeps parents stuck and schools stuck and everyone else is that people don't want to know. There is that cliche where, you know, if you don't know about it, then, you know, you kind of can protect yourself from taking action. And I find in this space, EMF, it's all very inconvenient and people are very terrified.

Cece Doucette (18:33.774)

Yeah.

Len Arcuri (18:50.902)

of inconvenient actions, especially since our kids are so, you know, they've grown up and all they've known is tech. So what do you say to people to help them get over the hump to actually want to know?

Cece Doucette (19:04.247)

Yeah, so I totally relate. I didn't want to know about this. Nobody wants to hear about this because we live with technology and we run our lives through technology. So the message is not no technology, right? We can do amazing things with it. Let's just make a few tweaks and learn how to use it more safely. Right. So the first thing I would suggest is get a meter if you can.

Len Arcuri (19:08.62)

Yeah, you did it, right.

Cece Doucette (19:31.897)

hand it to your kids and do the scavenger hunt, right? One of my friends brought me over to her office and wanted to have me do the walkthrough with my meter. And we identified where all the radiation was coming from and her older son worked for her. And within a half an hour, he had pulled out all the ethernet cables that they had stuck in a box somewhere and he just hardwired it. And then all we had to do was go device by device into the settings.

locate the antennas and turn them off. So then we measured again to make sure because with 5G and the internet of things, the industry is forecasting that we're all going to have 200 wirelessly connected devices in our homes. And that level of electro pollution is just astronomical. So it's really important to measure because every electronic you buy these days from a TV to a refrigerator, a stove, a dish,

They're putting these sensors, these transmitters in everything. So it's just, you you'll get peace of mind once you can measure. So get a meter if you can, hand it to the kids and let them be part of this, right? We don't want to be mom and dad shaking our fingers again, going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But get them involved and they love doing stuff like that. So I went to my friend's house after that where her 15 year old son was, and I handed him the meter.

and said, okay, so to go do the scavenger hunt. And he did, and he did, and we wound up on the third floor in his, his little man cave up there where he did his gaming. And it was completely off the charts, just blood red on the meter. And that dude just turned around, opened up the closet, pulled out everything that was wired. And within five minutes, he had his man cave hardwired again with his gaming console, you know, all the controllers and stuff.

Any gamer will tell you you're going to get way better signal and reliability and, you know, sustain all that. So I love that example because I went to her office, I went to her home. I spent two hours that day and what a difference it made in their lives. So one is connect things back through with ethernet cables and adapters and on the back of our router.

Len Arcuri (21:30.368)

yeah.

Cece Doucette (21:52.133)

There's ethernet ports. So you just get a big long cable and run it to wherever you use your technology. You may already have wires run through the walls in your house. You may already have ethernet jacks in your walls. That's all still good in most cases. Just start plugging back in. And I know a lot of the devices have gotten really thin and there's no direct ethernet port in them, but you can buy a little 12, 20, $30 dongle for your device and plug it in.

So step one is to hardwire. Step two is to go in and turn off the wireless, right? So you got to hunt down the antennas, the cellular, the data, the Bluetooth, the Wi-Fi, the locator, the hotspot, the 5G. And then the third step is to measure again, because again, I'll give you an example here in my house. Once I stopped circling my tail and I circled my tail for quite a while because I had like decked cordless phones, I had five of them all over my house.

And those are like your own private little cell tower too, right? I went and I found my corded mouse, my corded keyboard. My printer was already corded to my CPU. But one day I came down, you know, I ate a nice, I slept well. I had a clean organic breakfast and I'm sitting in my home office. I'm going, why does it feel like the earth is just sucking me down again? So I pulled out my meter.

Len Arcuri (22:53.944)

Yeah.

Cece Doucette (23:19.109)

And I just swept it around my office and it started going crazy on my printer. And I looked at the faceplate and the little glow light for Wi-Fi was not on. But my daughter had been home over the weekend and said, Mom, I need to print something. Can I just turn on the Wi-Fi? And I said, yeah, just make sure you turn it off when you're done. Well, neither of us knew that there were three wireless antennas in that one printer. So I figured that out by going online and looking up my printer.

and I found all those antennas. So they're sneaky. So you really do need to measure. But we find, and again, we don't want to over promise. And your listener knows that everybody's body is different, is going to respond differently. But I'll give another example of a woman in my town. I went to her home. This was pre-pandemic. She was already a telecommuter.

and she worked for a big corporation. So she had two of everything in her office, her own personal suite of laptop, cell phone, you know, and then she had the work issued laptop, cell phone, the wireless printer, the mouse, the keyboard, all of it. It was a screaming red zone in her office. But in just a few minutes we were able to mitigate. And then she said, hey, would you bring that meter into my son's bedroom? And I said, sure. So I put the meter on the pillow and it flew into the red zone.

and we're looking around, go, what's in here? There was an iPad on the nightstand and a hand-me-down laptop on the desk. So the next morning I get a call from her and she said, I want you to know as soon as you left my house, I called my husband and said, sweetie, bring home an ethernet cable. And he did. And they realized that that iPad on the nightstand, they were only using it for music during the kids bedtime routine.

All they had to do was put it in airplane mode. That was solved right there. So the lesson there is download all your stuff. Once it's on there, turn off the antennas and you can, you know, use the device without radiating yourself. And then they hardwired the laptop and turned off the antennas. And she called to tell me that her little guy slept through the night for the first time in his life. I said, how old is your little guy? And she goes two and a half.

Len Arcuri (25:15.565)

Mm-hmm.

Len Arcuri (25:41.378)

a while.

Cece Doucette (25:42.213)

And as parents, we know if the children aren't sleeping, we're all knuckle dragging, right? So for two and a half years, that family really struggled. And then, you know, I got off the phone that day. This was early on in my journey. I just I just started sobbing because with just one hour with her, we made life changing impacts for that entire family. Then she called and left me a message two weeks later.

And I called her back and she said that her older son, who I think maybe maybe in like seven at the time, these two little boys slept in this queen size bed together, right? They shared a bedroom and she said that he was in a classroom that was a modular classroom because they had a population bubble at his grade level. So they had to put up a separate classroom and they had not put the wireless access point in the classroom. They cleaned up the home.

And she told me that this child had severe behavioral issues. And she said, now my husband and I are just looking at each other, waiting for the other shoe to drop because he was happy. He was actually, for the first time in his seven years, able to play with other children.

And again, just with an hour of education, it can be so life changing. So that's my happy place, Lynn. I love being here with you today because sure, we do work with public policy. I helped New Hampshire become the first in the nation to pass a law to investigate this issue. And they came out with a groundbreaking report called the final report on commission to study the environmental and health effects of evolving 5G technology.

They got in there and realized it's not just 5G, it's every wireless signal on our planet. And they document the conflicts of interest with the wireless industry and the FCC and the FDA and other agencies. And then they make 15 recommendations to educate the public, to label everything at eye level out in the community that is radiating.

Cece Doucette (27:53.017)

to get our federal delegates back on this issue because industry got in there and just routed out everybody who once had expertise in this and to start protecting our environment, get building inspectors trained on this. So the New Hampshire report is like the leading document in our country, but every time we took their recommendations and tried to enact those into laws, the industry came in with their deep pockets.

and heavy influence and they just torpedo in our efforts.

Len Arcuri (28:23.532)

Mm-hmm.

Cece Doucette (28:25.429)

And it's so there's no cavalry coming. We are trying. There are important lawsuits happening. We've got one going to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court here on December 3rd because Verizon put a cell tower on top of a neighborhood and it made 17 children and adults so sick. Finally, a board of health investigated in Pittsfield after years of talking about this issue with them. The Board of Health deemed their homes were no longer habitable.

Len Arcuri (28:26.395)

So.

Cece Doucette (28:54.597)

And once again, industry tries to sue to stop the truth from coming out. So we're very grateful to the Supreme Court here in Massachusetts for taking on this case. And we're hopeful. Maybe this will set a precedent. Maybe industry will torpedo it again. We just don't know. So it's up to us, mom, dad, grandma, auntie, uncle, caring citizens. It's us. It's the adults that have to do this. But don't go it alone.

Len Arcuri (28:54.754)

Wow.

Len Arcuri (29:11.054)

So, it's a...

Cece Doucette (29:23.141)

That was my hard lesson learned in our schools here is, you know, back in 2018, our own government, the US National Toxicology Program, which used to be the gold standard on toxics research, they came out with a $30 million study showing clear evidence of cancerous tumors and DNA damage from cell phones. The Ramazzini Institute in Italy completed another multimillion dollar study that showed the same findings.

from cell towers. So again, it doesn't matter where the signals are coming from. It's all microwave radiation that's harmful. So we have the lawsuits happening. Children's Health Defense has many that they're defending around the country right now, trying to stop these cell towers before they go in. There are other great works with the Environmental Health Trust. Bob Berg, Robert Berg is also stopping cell tower installations. So in the legal area, we're getting stronger and stronger.

And Children's Health Defense now has their 5G consulting branch. So you can reach out to them. They've got some good resources and you can also hire them to come help if you hear that there's a cell tower going up near you or a 5G small cell. There's nothing small about the harm. So we've got great things happening in the three areas that Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that when important changes happen.

Len Arcuri (30:37.1)

Mm-hmm.

Cece Doucette (30:50.039)

It comes through three areas. The public finally learns and decides they just can't sit still for this. Then it goes through the courts and ultimately public policy catches up. So we have bills here in Massachusetts right now to address Wi-Fi in schools, to form a commission like New Hampshire did, to protect ourselves from these utility smart meters. So I want to say a word about that. The industry got in,

at the federal level that pushed it down to our state level that we need to have this smart grid and all these smart meters for our gas, water, electric, solar, propane. And unfortunately, a lot of people get really sick when these get mounted on their homes. They can pulse this microwave radiation in. know, Len, you had shared that you've done some measurements around your house. And when I sat down

at the wall in my dining room where we've got two meters mounted, one for our solar system and one for our electric industry will say, you know, it's just a couple seconds a day, right? But my recording of it showed 17,000 times a day we were getting hit with microwaves. And so if you have a sleeping area, a child's bed or a crib or an elderly person or your own bed on the wall,

you should very seriously consider moving that, moving your bed, go to a different room, get as much distance from that thing as you can. Those smart meters can also mess with all of the electrical and magnetic frequencies in your home. So it can corrupt the wiring and throw a really nasty field of invisible energy six to eight feet into the living space. So a good building biologist can help you clean up that stuff.

And some people have incredible turnarounds in health just by mitigating. So, hardwire your stuff, protect your sleep above all else, because if we can't get good clean sleep, our body doesn't have enough energy left to properly cell repair and regenerate or properly develop DNA in a child if it's having to constantly fight off this bombardment of microwave radio frequencies.

Cece Doucette (33:14.597)

protect your sleep. Some of the things that I did when I stopped circling my tail is I replaced all those cordless phones with a hardwired handset. And I like this one that I got from Staples. I went online to some of the community boards on autism and EMF or just electrical sensitivity boards. And there's this one from AT &T, it's called the CL2909.

And it's just a typical desk set, but it's got a speaker button. So if I'm working and doing a call at the same time, I can still be on my computer, but have the speaker mode. So, and it just plugs in to the phone jack. There's no electrical. It's just got battery display behind the little display panel. So for people who are electrically sensitive, you want to get something with as little electricity in it as you can. So protect your sleep.

Len Arcuri (33:45.283)

Mm-hmm.

Cece Doucette (34:12.367)

hardwire your house and just start taking stock of what you have. You know, we know this is like drinking water out of a fire hose, right? So don't feel like you have to do it all at once because it is so overwhelming how far technology has been embedded into our lives. So pat yourself on the back if you can do one thing. Maybe you put your cell phone in airplane mode tonight.

and turn off the Bluetooth and turn off the Wi-Fi, because again, those are separate antennas. And if they say on, that's not good. If they say not connected, that also is not good because it means it's still going, here I am, here I am, here I am, and it's pulsing that radiation. So you want all these antennas to be off. The good news is everything that's on your device, you get to use without radiating yourself. So your alarm still works, your clock still works.

your camera still works, anything entertainment wise, games, music, books that you've downloaded onto your device, all that is there to enjoy. You don't want to charge stuff near where you sleep because again, those electromagnetic fields can disrupt sleep on many levels. But I also wanted to mention that I've had the privilege of collaborating with one of the world's leading scientists in Finland who's done the research on wireless radiation.

and we recognize that you can't fix it if nobody knows about it. So we thought, how can we get information out quickly? So Dr. Miko Ohonen and I have an online course that can be completed in about an hour. And it's like the cost of a movie ticket, like $15 to help us pay for our overhead. But it's a great way to level set with the facts. Everybody in the family can take the course, right? And then you have some common facts to speak to.

an entire school, an entire workforce could be trained on their lunch hour. And for the human resources department, you can print out a certificate of completion. There's like little quiz questions throughout. So you'll get a little certificate showing how well you did and you can go back and repeat questions if you need. And then it also allows you to print out a handy tip sheet. Hang it on the fridge, just with reminders, not a guilt sheet, just a tip sheet.

Cece Doucette (36:35.555)

Maybe once a week, try doing something a little bit differently. And the good news is people say, Cece, I didn't want to know this. I don't want to believe it. But I took your advice and I did the sleep sanctuary. And my gosh, I slept through the night for the first time in years. Because what the science is showing us is that the brain can't differentiate between natural daylight and this manmade light energy form.

And so when we leave that pulsating all night, the brain's going, hello, when's it going to get dark so I can release melatonin, which then goes in and helps to regulate our sleep and helps to clean up the debris from everyday repair. So if we're messing with the pineal gland, which is also, I'm told our spiritual center, that's where all of our spiritual download comes from is through the pineal gland. So if we can protect that and protect our sleep.

Len Arcuri (37:19.916)

which is awesome.

Cece Doucette (37:32.645)

It really does a lot of good. So yeah.

Len Arcuri (37:36.266)

Yep. No, that makes perfect sense. And I have to say that's a big part even of the coaching I provide one-on-one to parents is to take those simple actions, particularly to protect the sleeping environment. And I've seen case after case of these kids who aren't sleeping through the night or who maybe are, but just have really more extreme behaviors that when you actually do give them the opportunity to have more of restful, you know,

Quality sleep restorative sleep how much everything improves so it's a you're not exaggerating when you gave those few Examples it can make a gigantic difference and it doesn't take much but you're right. You have to be able to measure because some Environments like it's crazy to me how many of the families I've had the honor of walking alongside When they take that meter and test rooms in the house

It's always the child who perhaps is on the spectrum, their sleeping environment, that's the highest levels. Most of the time they're sleeping right behind an electrical outlet, which has all kinds of issues. So it's just, it's very noteworthy. I mean, you mentioned smart meters. It's crazy how many times that smart meter is on the wall in a sleeping environment. So all those things that you mentioned earlier, I just want to echo that.

this stuff really does matter. And I think the simplest way for somebody to really get in a position to take action is simply really understanding that this is only a cost benefit question, right? So it's inconvenient, yes, but you won't take action unless you really do understand the hazards. And you mentioned earlier, and I know at CHD you used as an example, with the meter,

Cece Doucette (39:02.03)

Yeah.

Len Arcuri (39:27.99)

You know, you were articulating what the safe level is. And then you were sharing what the level was even in that environment. And I just want everyone who's listening to know, we're not talking about a meter that says, you're slightly over this threshold. So can you give an example of what, even in that environment?

Cece Doucette (39:31.669)

Yeah.

Cece Doucette (39:44.909)

Yeah, I'll tell you what we did. We did at that conference. I had seen a gentleman with earbuds and I asked if I could measure his earbuds and I let him know that on that Safe and Sound Pro 2, we want to be, well, there's no safe level in the scientific literature so we can't kid ourselves. But if we can get to 10 or less, especially in our sleeping areas, right, our homes.

10 microwatts per square meter or less would be fantastic. And when I measured those earbuds, they were at 25,000 and we want to be at 10. When I measured the ambient room at lunchtime at the conference, we were over 600,000. And when I was standing on the stage, I think it was at least a half a million. So there are vast differences we can make with teeny tiny tweaks in how we access our technology.

Len Arcuri (40:33.006)

So their best success is to have team of 20 tracks in the process of getting them.

Cece Doucette (40:40.921)

But I'll leave us with a really empowering note of encouragement from another one of the pediatricians, Dr. Torrel Gelter out in Walnut Creek, California. When she has families on the spectrum in her care, one of the first things she'll do is recommend that they do the digital detox and have at least 12 hours at night with everything under control. No radio frequency if you can help it.

Len Arcuri (40:52.814)

community, the environment, and the status of spectra in the community. What are the same structures that are in the future? What are the same types of spectra that

Cece Doucette (41:08.697)

And she gives the example of one of her patients. I think he was like a 10 year old little boy. And they'd only done the digital detox for a week or two. And the boy turns around to his mom and says, mom, can you please hand me that, like the scissors or something. And the mom and the child just went, because he's been talking inside of his head forever, but nobody's heard his voice outside of his head. And so they were just astounded that that digital detox could work so quickly.

Len Arcuri (41:26.894)

because it's a place we can speak about in the half of year, but it's a place where we can about it in second half of And so it's just definitely connected to the two types of things. So it's place that we can speak about in the of the different than what happens here. And we can speak about it in the second of year.

Cece Doucette (41:38.083)

And again, we never want to over promise because we know everybody's different, but wow, we can see incredible results. And why not? It's free. You don't have to do anything really, just shut everything off for a while and see if there's a difference. but just start taking inventory of where all these exposures are. The cars can be very high. so there's lots of little hacks. I do a free public education webinar every month. People are welcome to come and learn along with us.

People come back time and again. They'll get the courage to try one little thing and then they'll come back and try and learn another little thing. join us as many times as you want. Go to my events page at Massachusetts for Safe Technology or take the little course probably in less than an hour online and then you'll get a little certificate at the end that you can pat yourself on the back with.

Len Arcuri (42:29.976)

Perfect. Perfect. Well, we will include all that in the show notes. And then you mentioned about how cars can be problematic. Also in the show notes, I had a podcast discussion with Maryanne Tierney, who is your counterpart in North Carolina. I'm actually on the board of her organization, Safe Tech NC. And that whole episode talks about why a car, particularly that confined space, can be really problematic. again, all in the interest of more awareness. And as you're thinking about what to do,

for yourself, for your family, for your child. Yes, there are costs in terms of inconvenience, people judging you, lots of things in terms of you taking actions to hardwire and to play better defense, but the benefits, the potential benefits here are so massive. So that's where, yes, it's inconvenient, but we're not talking about a small issue for many of these kids. This is a huge stressor that's holding them back. And you mentioned at the outset about

possibly it being a contributor to why a child's on the spectrum, that's absolutely a possibility. But whether exposure to EMFs is a root cause of what's going on with your child and how they got to where they are, whether that's true or not, there's no question that a root cause of why your child doesn't improve and thrive could be this constant day-to-day onslaught of this invisible toxin, which again, if you can measure it, you have...

So many options to be able to reduce that exposure and that's what it's all about

Cece Doucette (44:02.285)

Yeah, great. Well, I hope we've inspired parents to find the courage to start taking these baby steps and don't do it alone. There's so much support here for you. And if there's anything we can answer for you, by all means reach out or come to one of our live programs every month. We do an active Q &A at the end and we'd be happy to take your questions there too.

Len Arcuri (44:25.282)

Fantastic. And just for everyone, yes, there'll be a lot in the show notes, but your organization is MA4Safetech.org, correct?

Cece Doucette (44:34.809)

Correct. And then the other one is why are safer screen time.org if you want to do the little course.

Len Arcuri (44:41.902)

Fantastic. All right, well Cece, thank you so much for taking the time to share all these insights. I know it might be unsettling for parents to hear that this might be a bigger problem than they thought. But again, you can get so equipped quickly to reduce and to take control and again, to minimize exposure to help everyone in your family thrive.

Cece Doucette (45:02.042)

It was such a gift to meet you at the CHD Conference, Len. Thank you for inviting me.

Len Arcuri (45:06.552)

Thank you so much. Look forward to our future conversation.

Cece Doucette (45:09.207)

already. Bye bye.