Episode 204 — Your ACCEPTANCE Is The KEY
Guest: Scott Steindorff • Date: May 16, 2024
Episode Overview
This week, award-winning producer Scott Steindorff discusses his new PBS documentary, Understanding Autism. In the film, Scott explores his own autism and aims to shift perceptions of neurodiversity by showcasing the talents and unique perspectives of autistic individuals. The documentary encourages parents, schools, and communities to embrace, rather than change, these remarkable individuals.
About Scott Steindorff
Scott Steindorff is an award-winning film and television producer and president of Stone Village Films. Known for his work as the executive producer of HBO’s Emmy-nominated "Station Eleven" and Golden Globe-winning "Empire Falls," Scott also produced the inspirational documentary "Understanding Autism." In this film, he explores his own autism and seeks to reframe perceptions of neurodiversity by highlighting the talents and perspectives of autistic individuals across the spectrum.
Scott has a robust portfolio in the entertainment industry, having brought to life notable projects such as "Las Vegas," "Chef," "The Lincoln Lawyer," and more. Additionally, he is a Professor of Practice at Arizona State University, where he teaches about the intersection of emotions and art. Scott also serves as a board member for the ARC and advocates for neurodiversity, speaking at various educational institutions about the importance of emotional intelligence and confronting substance abuse.
https://www.stonevillagefilms.com/
You’ll Discover
The Magic of Autistic LOVE (5:54)
Why KINDNESS Works (10:30)
The Thing Parents Need To Do The Most (14:50)
An Approach That Just Isn’t Going To Work (19:00)
Why Tough Love Is NOT Love (25:07)
What Parents (And Schools) Need To Learn (29:50)
The Magic of Going WITH Your Child’s Special Interests (35:30)
Referenced in This Episode
Full Transcript
Scott Steindorff | 00:00
And the key is understanding autism and, So many people autistic families, so many people in the autistic communities have been raised on this notion that we can adjust behaviors, we can adjust learning, we can adjust things. I always say it's like they try so hard to make us neurotypical. It's just never going to work. It's going to fail.
Cass Arcuri | 00:29
Want to truly be the best parent you can be and help your child thrive after their autism diagnosis? This podcast is for all in parents like you who know more is possible for your child.
Len Arcuri | 00:39
- With each episode, we reveal a secret that empowers you to be the parent your child needs now, saving you time, energy, and money, and helping you focus on what truly matters most, your child.
Cass Arcuri | 00:50
- I'm Cass. - And I'm Len. - Welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets.
Len Arcuri | 01:06
- Hello and welcome to Autism Parenting Secrets, Our guest today comes from the entertainment industry. And he's using the medium that he knows so well to help the world see autism and ADHD differently. Scott Steindorff is an award-winning producer and president of Stone Village Films. Since 1998, he's been quite active bringing to life projects like Netflix's docuseries, Fire Chasers. NBC's hit series, Las Vegas. Jon Favreau's film Chef, which happens to be one of my personal favorites. The Lincoln Lawyer with Matthew McConaughey, Love in the Time of Cholera, and the critically acclaimed and award-winning miniseries for HBO, Empire Falls. Which won a Golden Globe for best miniseries or motion picture made for television, all of that just to name a few. All this, and he happens to have ADHD and autism. He just released a new inspirational documentary entitled Understanding Autism, and it was his own personal struggle and dedication to find solutions for himself that led him to make this film. It aims to take a fresh look at autism with new and modern solutions to create greater awareness and understanding of the subject.
So many interventions and therapies are rooted in changing your child for them to be neurotypical. But the secret this week is... Your acceptance is the key. Welcome, Scott.
Scott Steindorff | 02:37
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
So you guys are autism parents
Cass Arcuri | 02:42
Yeah, our son was diagnosed at 18 months old. So we were... And he regressed. He lost his words. He lost his eye contact.
So we were kind of and I was nine months pregnant with our daughter. So we were kind of thrown into it. And it has been such a gift, you know, a challenge and a gift. But he has been our teacher. And I love that we're talking about acceptance here because that is truly accepting our kids. At least for us, our son, where he was, just helped us make better decisions to support him as that unique individual so he can thrive and share his gifts with the world.
Scott Steindorff | 03:19
That's awesome. It's important to...
Cass Arcuri | 03:23
Yeah.
Len Arcuri | 03:25
It is. It sounds like a simple thing, but honestly you know, The concept of really sincerely... Accepting your child as they are, whatever might be happening for them, was something that was totally lost on me earlier on. Because I thought my job as a parent was to, you know, parent the autism out of my son to get him to conform to be part of our world. And, you know, we've had some dynamite, you know, people, some guides along the way who have helped us shift our perspective over time. But that's one that boy, I wish I would have done it even sooner because It's easy for us to look back now and say yeah, it's all been a gift and it's beautiful. We've gotten to a wonderful place, but early on it was anything but. And again, there's so much in terms of just how you're even looking at it. And what message you're sending your child, again, regardless of where they are, acceptance isn't a tactic. It's the whole thing.
Scott Steindorff | 04:23
Right. Well, I am on the spectrum. I have autism. I have ADHD. I have three grown kids. That are on the spectrum. And they weren't died. My youngest was diagnosed early on, but my other two kids were not diagnosed until they were adults.
So it was frustrating to try to instill behaviors or discipline, and I just learned so much by failing in the process. And, you know, I went off. All around the world, I filmed over 100 films. Families you know, from Hawaii to the UK. With people that you know, parents that had children with autism. And I always say the hardest part about autism is parenting. It's really a challenge. And I think the biggest challenge is what we're talking about today. Is accepting your child has autism, and not trying to change him and to accept how he's wired differently or she's wired differently. And It takes a lot of patience and love. And I noticed one thing on my journey with so many autistic families. Is I call it autistic love. And the parents... And the families have become so close And they have, and it's why It inspired me to do a documentary which is for everybody, on love. Because I learned so much about these families that were so loving and kind to their children and patient and understanding their autism. I think that's the biggest thing. We have to understand it, accept it, and you know, it can be a very beautiful thing, even though at times it's extremely challenging.
Len Arcuri | 06:46
And that term, just the title of your documentary, Understanding Autism, it really is that simple to really for people to see it differently because as I'm sure you talk about in the documentary, the whole system The "autism system" that's out there for parents From beginning to end is all about changing and not accepting and getting your child to conform or change. And that's where that whole premise Just now we can look at it and say that's off base. And I think that's really the kind of a key theme of your documentary.
Scott Steindorff | 07:26
Well, you know, people... Like anything, they want I want to cure my kid. I want to change my kid. I want him to act like our other children or other children on the playground. And that's just never going to happen. We're wired differently. And we're going to behave differently. We're going to have, you know, many are non-speaking. Many are...
Some can't even get out of a their room under medical supervision. But we have to look at the, as you led with, the positive aspect. It's a human in there. It's a spirit. It's somebody that is part of us as parents. And we have to accept them and love And I just find that the love that parents give those children and those children at times give the parents is one of the most beautiful things I've witnessed. Interviewing so many families. And I find that you know, these rigid you know, systems that were set up because so many people didn't understand what autism is. And it created these behavioral groups and let's change our kids to neurotypical. No.
You know, I'm lucky you know, my children... Got to a place where they were higher functioning and aspects of their life, where they created some real success in their lives. And it's so beautiful to witness. But I think the key to it all was love. The key to it was Their mother and I love them so much. Went through difficulties. But just kept loving them. And accepting them and just You know, never give up. And it worked. For many of us in our lives and business and successes and whatever it is we do, but you just can never give up on that child.
Cass Arcuri | 09:41
Well, and I think a lot of it too goes against how you were probably, or at least I can say how I was raised, right? I was raised to kind of conform. I was raised to do what my parents told me. I was raised to do this.
So going into parenthood, I'm like, you know, I will probably do something similar. And then my son came along and it was like, I remember talking to, you know, a family member when I was pregnant with my daughter and my son's, you know, right before he was diagnosed. And I'm like, how am I going to do this? He's like, well, tell him it's time to be a big boy. And I'm like, that's not going to work. Right.
So it's like you just adapt and you kind of flow with it. But I, you know what you're saying about leading with love. And I think that. Part of you know, the autism journey is this kindness piece because this kindness for yourself, kindness for your child, kindness for setting maybe new boundaries that you've never had to set before kindness to finding the right, I don't know, peer groups, you know, there's so much in this. I, you know, it's interesting now that I have two teenagers and I'm just so grateful. They're both very different, but they both have huge hearts and they're both kind souls. And so I think, you know, the world needs so much more kindness than the chaos that we kind of see everywhere, which is for me, you know, I don't know. There's something... Fulfilling about witnessing kind humans being raised in this world, which then they can have empathy for others and support others how they need to be supported.
Scott Steindorff | 11:22
Yeah, that's exactly my view is the kindness. And treating them with kindness. And it's, you know, underneath that behavior, underneath... That pain is underlying causes And it's getting to the root and not... Not disciplining the behavior, especially with ADHD.
You know, so many people you know, sit down, sit still, do this. And with autism too. And it's just not going to work. Let them be themselves. And figure out. If they need to move around to learn They need to move around to learn. And you know, it's, I think, you know, for me, I... I was misdiagnosed at 10. And I was bullied and I had difficulty with speech and I was bullied terribly. And there are so many of these stories that I've heard One thing consistent was bullying. And I want the world to accept autistic people and children. And just like we do with race and religion and so many other things, we need to be included. We need to have a seat at. At the table where people with intellectual disabilities or challenges or gifts, as I call them. Be recognized and accepted. With kindness, with love. And, you know, our school systems do not adapt. They have this rigid structure. System. And I just hope that schools can start recognizing this. That you cannot We're all different. We're all wired different. And you can't, Teach. Autistic kids or kids on the spectrum the same way.
Len Arcuri | 13:29
Yeah, schools are based on a one size fits all model. And that's what many of them are trying now to kind of make adaptations. But fundamentally, they're not set up to respect the unique gifts of each child. And even going back to parents, like when you talk about needs, you know, I think parents When parents are trying to do their best, well-intentioned, but they're operating, at least I was operating, feeling I have a need to help my child. Who is autistic now, conform and learn how to be part of this world and to not have those behaviors.
So I was operating with a playbook that There were needs that I had And therefore, that was my work was to help my child conform versus looking at it very differently with, hey, what are my child's needs? What are his unique needs right now? And when you take that shift or shift your perspective that way, everything changes. And that's where for our son, public school was absolutely not a fit early on. There was no way they could admit that. His unique needs.
So I think that's where parents, if they can just shift their perspective, you know, and earlier, the better, so much more opens up for them.
Scott Steindorff | 14:45
And I believe that parenting you know, parents need to take care of themselves. And, you know, I address that in the movie is parents need to you know, meditate. To have time for themselves. Parents need to have self-love. They need to rejuvenate. They need to exercise. They need to take care of themselves so they can give that love and give that care. With patients before I got so busy I would have, I was an autism advocate, so I would work with kids and they would come out to my house and The biggest challenge was dealing with the parents.
You know, Teaching the parents. Okay, your kid's autistic. And this is how he behaves, whether he's you know, non-speaking or... Higher functioning or lower, whatever level he's at. It's, teaching the parents how to cope, how to manage this. And once they get to that place, Their children change too.
Cass Arcuri | 16:02
Well, and that's why Len and I started this podcast. And this is why we do the coaching that we do, because we realized that when we changed, everything changed. And this is where as a parent who's listening, yes, your self-care, because if you're running on fumes, guess what? You're not going to show up your kind self. You're not going to be exuding love. And, you know, Scott, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but what I've witnessed is that My kids can read my energy like 50 million feet away.
So if you're coming in pretending you're kind, they're going to call BS better than anyone.
Scott Steindorff | 16:39
They are so, autistic people are so intuitive and children. So they can pick up, like you said, that energy of if you're frustrated or angry or upset, which we... We all are human and can get that way because it can be challenging. But once we come with love and kindness and patience and learn how to communicate with the autistic child is the key. It really is. Accepting They have autism. This is how it's going to be. They're going to have these certain challenges. And we can Do it together as a family. And but we have to listen.
Cass Arcuri | 17:31
And you said something, you know, before a little bit about root cause and with behaviors, because I know this was really important for us. Not extinguishing my son's behavior, but understanding why he was having those behaviors. Because there's, What I've come to witness is there's usually a reason behind it and that's their form of communication. And so to be that detective, to kind of really put yourself almost in your child's body to see what's showing up now and how do I kind of support them? Because I think that helps lay the foundation for our kids to, you know, progress as far as be the incredible humans that they're kind of here to be.
Scott Steindorff | 18:13
Exactly. And, you know, it's like, a lot of autistic and spectrum people get substance abuse problems.
Well, that's not the problem. The problem is the autism or the ADHD or the spectrum issues. And it's getting underneath how they're behaving. How they're trying to You know, they have All of us have difficulty with autism communicating our needs. And it sometimes comes out the opposite. And so... Parents need to understand What are they trying to communicate with the bad behavior? Or the frustration. Really understanding I mean, the key is understanding autism. And, So many people autistic families, so many people in the autistic communities have been raised on this notion that we can adjust behaviors, we can adjust learning, we can adjust things. I always say it's like they try so hard to make us neurotypical. It's just never going to work. It's going to fail. And so we need to create systems like I filmed at the school in Minnesota. An autism school and it was so beautiful.
I mean, the kids were able to be themselves and they're thriving. They're learning. They're learning life skills. And learning these life skills It was, I walked in the room, I was filming and I just started breathing.
Cass Arcuri | 20:01
Yeah, it's amazing. There are so many pockets of amazing people schools and programs around and you're just, you know, and especially we need more of them. And we.
Scott Steindorff | 20:14
Need them everywhere. A lot of big cities don't have them and... And it's rare. And I hope in the next couple of years as There's more awareness of these issues that we get more schools and more systems in place that neurotypical people watch my film or learn about what you guys are, everybody's doing so that they understand this.
Len Arcuri | 20:42
Well, good. Well, your profession, your medium is an incredibly powerful way of doing that.
So I know that's a big part of what the documentary is all about. And at least for parents who are watching it or whoever's watching it, particularly parents, It seems like the two superpowers that a parent, if they don't have, can cultivate that will really pave the way are curiosity, right? And patience.
Scott Steindorff | 21:10
Yes. - Absolutely, you know, learning patience for the Autism. And understand school teachers and.
Cass Arcuri | 21:20
Which is such a, you know, contrast to the society we live in. You know, I can have everything delivered. I'm instant gratification. Everything can be delivered to my door, you know, within hours.
And then you have, you know, a child who requires your patience, which is so opposite of how we are. But I think that's part of... Why there are so many individuals with autism is to kind of re-instill patience in us for humanity, truly.
Scott Steindorff | 21:50
Right. And, you know, they're, It's like everybody, every human, there's that point in their life where they kind of get it. Where we wake up and we go, " my goodness, I'm going to do this in my life." And I've noticed that with autistic children, no matter what level they're at. And they have that moment where they kind of look at you And they get it.
You know? And it's one of the most beautiful things I've experienced in my life. Working with kids and being on this journey with a lot of my own children.
You know, and... And So many, you know, there's... A non-speaking girl who struggled with behavior and everything, And in life still does. But she found a place. Where she was able to communicate through devices. And communicate to billions of people, you know, and it's, and graduated, you know, with all, the top honors at a college and You look at these kids and they can thrive in different ways in life. And so I always say, don't give up hope. Don't give up.
You know, the hope that they can find a place in the world for themselves where they're comfortable and It's just so beautiful.
Len Arcuri | 23:33
It is truly beautiful. And that hope is not, Just a slogan. It's not unrealistic.
I mean, honestly, hope is so... Tangible But I think a lot of parents don't They can't see that because they're just, again, they're part of the system that's only Helping to remind them of the differences and the quote unquote issues that really aren't issues, but like, again, the whole system. And that's why even our podcast, we call it it's Autism Parenting Secrets. And it's because the big secret is parent. You're the key. Forget about trying to change your child. You're you set the tone. What, how you're operating is everything that you're teaching your child. And, you know, a lot of parents don't like our podcast when they first start listening.
Cause they're like wait, I want answers for my kid. What do I do for my kid? And here we're talking about self-care and mindset and beliefs.
So it really is that that's the opportunity for parents is to just shift the Because again, the system is not setting them up for success and they're already putting the pressures on the child that they're different and that that's not okay. So we love that what you're doing with the message you're spreading, we're trying to spread the same message with this podcast. And if a parent can just shift that perspective, that makes all the difference.
Scott Steindorff | 24:54
I find that when I've worked with kids and parents for the first time, is or I've noticed on this journey, is that discipline, do this, you know, rigid systems. Of parenting does not work with people on the spectrum. It's the opposite effect. It's going to cause a lot of pain for that child And it's going to cause a lot of pain for you as a parent.
So you have to adjust to the needs of that child rather than, you know, like... How we were raised.
Cass Arcuri | 25:33
Right. And that child's needs might be different than your other child's needs.
So it's totally, it's an art of how do I show up in the moment for this child? And then, you know, you get to pivot to the next.
Len Arcuri | 25:49
But that's such an important point though, you know, that you made Scott, which is if you're a parent or any parent, but let's say a parent with a child who's different on the spectrum of If you... I think that playbook of how you were raised and that your parents had is going to work with that child.
I mean, it just won't. And that's where we have to unlearn and be willing to let go of how we were raised, what we were taught, because, you know, again, for these kids, As you said, it will not work. It will only push them further away. And I don't know of any parent whose goal is to push their child away, but that's effectively what you're doing.
Scott Steindorff | 26:29
And I think so many of us you know, we're, from a system of what they used to call tough love. And I always say, Huff love is not love. It is a false... Definition of what love is. Because love is not tough. And it is not this rigid system. That you know, we grew up with in a lot of areas of the world and especially in America. And it just doesn't work even for neurotypical kids.
So I think we need as parents to I, you know, I love what you guys are doing because you're educating parents on not just you know, the spectrum child. They're able to look at their other children that may be neurotypical, and give them more positive reinforcement because they mimic us.
You know, they, You know, my son has my laugh. He has my hand movements. He has everything about me.
You know, my daughter... My oldest daughter... Is a deal maker, you know, like, and she'll start negotiating with me. And I'm like, No, I'm not doing that. And she'll be like, Dad, you taught me this.
So, you know, they learned. Parenting is the key to Our lives, our parents brought us to a place where we kind of go, you know, we all go through that phase where we're like, I don't like mom, I don't like dad.
And then you kind of go, when you're a parent, well... I get it. And with somebody with autism, you are parenting 5.0.
So your game has to be on all the time for that child's needs. And it can be, It's a tough job. It really is. But it can be so rewarding. If you get into a place of Hope. Of love, of It's just such a beautiful thing. I really, I leave these families And I just see such love in these families. And it's so... Amazing to me.
Len Arcuri | 29:04
And my guess is those families, like we have, they found a way, however, to get out of their own way. Because it's, So much of what was miserable about how I felt early on or how confused I was It was all self-created.
So once I learned how to get out of my own way to allow True love acceptance to get the tough love out of my toolbox forever because it doesn't work. I mean, that's the thing.
So much of this, if a parent's listening, like, how do you do that? I feel really lousy right now.
I mean, it's all your control to shift. How they're looking at it, the stories they're telling themselves. And again, that may mean tuning out a lot of what's around you and what you're hearing from other people.
Scott Steindorff | 29:51
Right. And, you know... I've noticed, you know, I have my trailer for the movie understanding autism on TikTok and different sites and it's getting millions of hits and all the comments are from parents - Mostly from parents, you know, I want to understand my child. I want to know more. Where can I go to learn more? Where can I understand? How to deal with my child.
So this is so important what you guys are doing because there's, It's just not being taught and it's not out there. And I'm noticing that from the reaction of the trailers. And- And I just really strongly believe that school systems... Throughout the country. Have to change. And we need more schools that are specific for. And you know, communities, of parents with you know, that have autistic children. Are starting to be formed. And it's such a beautiful thing to interview a whole group of families Because you guys, we all understand each other.
Cass Arcuri | 31:22
There's nothing better than when you are on the same wavelength with another parent who's going through the same thing. It's just like instant love and appreciation.
Scott Steindorff | 31:32
Yes. It's like Al-Anon to AA, you know, the families supporting... Yep. The needs, but you know, it's just, We need more. More and more. It's so like there's certain areas of our country where there just is no services. There's no help. And there's no understanding. And, you know, as you guys know, you can go. To doctors or therapists and their doing systems that were set up 50 years ago. That don't work.
Cass Arcuri | 32:09
Right. And so many families, you know, will only do something, let's say, if it's covered by insurance. But let's be honest, the options that are really covered by insurance are not designed to help your child thrive. They're designed more from a conformity perspective.
Scott Steindorff | 32:26
Correct. We're all on the same wavelength.
Cass Arcuri | 32:31
And that, you know, this is where that parent piece, like, you know, your child better than anyone else in the world. And so this is where this parent empowerment, this parent, how you show up, the kindness, your, you know, your, all of these elements that we talk about are so key for you to truly help your child thrive.
Scott Steindorff | 32:52
And so it's so important. That once we understand our children with autism, to have support in the community and support in the school. And there's nothing more frustrating. And difficult as a parent when you go to the schools and they simply don't understand. I get calls every week.
You know, from, parents talking about you know, the school won't let He kicked him out of class, did the, you know, all these different things. So we need to really rally the school systems, the communities, and our government. Because they don't understand.
Len Arcuri | 33:38
Well, the first step is that they need to want to understand, right? They need to want to be able to reevaluate and that step is which is again, why the awareness and I think why your documentary is so important and needed. And I guess just in the time we have left, one thing I'd love for you to expand on, and this is something, again, that we talk about all the time. It's part of our coaching, but there's this sweet spot or a parent. Which is... Not, number one, yes, fully accepting your child as they are, but that acceptance not meaning that you're not going to do anything, that you just check out and just say, hey, it's autism. And so there's this sweet spot of accepting your child as they are and getting really curious with patients to figure out what are my child's needs? Why are they doing X, Y, and Z? What do they need?
And then as any parent has done since the beginning of time, right, making good decisions to support your child as they are. Now, when we try to explain that sometimes, and when people listen to the podcast, they get the impression, we're not accepting kids. We're saying parents have to, you know, that we're saying the opposite of what our message is, which is no, accept your child as they are and help them thrive as much as possible by meeting their needs. But I think a lot of parents get caught up where, either they don't do anything or they maybe feel guilty about doing things because they feel like that's going to change their child and, you know, mistakenly, maybe that they're going to force their child to become someone, something that they're not.
So there's this balance here. I'd just love to get your thoughts on that interplay between those two.
Scott Steindorff | 35:26
What I've discovered on this journey and with myself and my own family and all these families His special interests of children are key. So a lot of autistic children have these special interests Maybe they're trains. Maybe they're whatever they, you know, my daughter's was horses. And it became such an obsession. And everything. And it was frustrating at times and it was expensive. But I never gave up on it. I never gave up on her special interests. And or any of my youngest daughter, Art. Since she was little And it's, My kids, these are their careers. Temple Grandin, you know, I interviewed Temple Grandin. What is the most important thing? They need to learn a trade and follow their special interests. Because they will succeed if they're in their special interests.
So to encourage their passions, to encourage what they're interested in and that they're curious in. And It can be you know, difficult at times because they shift special interests, but they're going to find something that can really excite them about life. And so we can't deprive the children of these special interests.
Len Arcuri | 36:58
That's where you go with them. Let that lead. And with that interest, there's so much that can be taught that you could help them discover and grow if you're leveraging those interests instead of trying to stop. You're.
Cass Arcuri | 37:12
Fueling passions.
Scott Steindorff | 37:14
And like my son at age eight was... So interested in the batting averages of every baseball player. And new every baseball players batting average. And as a parent, that repetitive behaviors are difficult at times, but we have to let them be themselves. We're not going to change their patterns of in their brains.
So I feel that.
They really do. And then they can have careers. And some can.
I mean, we have to accept some are... Have other disabilities that make it difficult to get work and different things Bye. They find certain things, the kids' beauty in something in their lives. I've never seen an autistic person that did not find something that they were, as you said, curious. Interested in.
So allowing them to be themselves.
Len Arcuri | 38:30
Yeah, that's great. And as a parent, not only allowing that. But actually finding a way to not just fake it, but to be genuinely excited and encouraging them in that because there's a difference in terms of the energy like with your daughter with the horses i'm sure you weren't like all right we'll go do like you you've then got excited with her correct we.
Scott Steindorff | 38:52
Went all in You know, and there was times, I mean, it got super expensive and you go, it doesn't, it, and At this, she's in her mid-30s. And she's showing at the highest level. And still doing it. And has such love. Of these horses. It's so beautiful even to this day.
You know, so... Dogs, animals are key to a lot of People on the spectrum, dogs and animals. Interested in different animals or nature is really key. I just encourage everything that they're curious about. Letting them explore in their minds what they're curious about.
Len Arcuri | 39:45
Well, your daughter's exuberance for horses comes across loud and clear in the documentary. So, again, we really were just excited to be able to share this, encourage everyone to go and check it out. And again, thank you for taking the time, you know, in your industry to put this important message out there and just really excited for people to be able to digest it and take it in.
Scott Steindorff | 40:09
Well, thank you for doing what you guys are doing. Because it's really important. For parents to understand this. It really is. Thank you.
Cass Arcuri | 40:21
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